AMIGA OS is dead and so every other OS not being VISTA.. check this out

[McVenco]

Chrizz wrote:

The problem here is people thinks Amiga are still productive and have a future.. Amiga can have a future only if Microsoft or Apple will buy it.

Productive? Hell yes, I write letters on it, browse the web and do a lot of other stuff which is very productive; TO ME.

And why should Amiga be bought to have a future? You are misinterpreting the classic Amiga to be an alive computerplatform, it's not. It's only being kept alive by tons of users who invent new things everyday (both software AND hardware) to keep their 20 year old hardware pace up a bit with modern technology.

Browsing the web with an A1000? Possible.
Doing the same with an 8088 XT? Hell no.

When Amiga was in fashion noone cared about computers. Computers have replaced TV, shops etc, you have to understand time has changed and Amiga is not able to deliver.

Noone cared about computers in the 80's? Were you even born then?

So I understand you are one of those social life-ridden people who do everything on their computers.
Replaced tv's? I prefer sitting on my comfortable couch watching the news, rather then sitting on a chair at my desk.
Replaced shops? Maybe. It's nice to have the ease to order books etc. online, but I prefer going to a bookstore, to browse through the shelves in which you can see far more at one blink of an eye. I also rather have not delivered my groceries by some unknown young kid who races around in a van, breaking eggs and otherwise randomly abusing my food.

Not able to deliver? See first part of this post. My Amiga delivers. If it can't do stuff that I want, I will use another computer for it, Mac or Linux or whatever, maybe even Windows. It's a HOBBY machine, and it's way cool to see that it can do things that weren't even invented until AFTER Amiga's death.

That's under the browser. What will Amiga fans do when online shops like Amazon will start to use this kind of ui?

Maybe some Amiga programming freak will eventually make it possible. Until that time we are happy to use Mac or Linux (or MorphOS, AROS when they will have the same possibilities).

Or I'll just go out (fresh air is good for you!) to a bookstore.

Complain that you can do on Amiga too? Yes maybe.. but Amiga doesn't even carry mozilla.
I have no problem with people using Amiga as nostalgia machines, I would probably set up one just for the fun of it.. but you must face the truth, Amiga is obsolete.

NOW you're starting to get it, at least in the first part of this reply. It's NOSTALGIA that drives us to use the Amiga. And for nostalgic reasons we will use AmigaOS 4 and 5 if they will ever see the light of day.

The Amiga is far from obsolete.
Yes, the platform is commercially dead (apart from a few new parts sold here and there to keep our machines alive).
Yes, it can't do a lot of things other platforms CAN do (java, flash, SSL secured login and whatever).
Yes, new pc's and Macs have better graphics, sound, speed and random other possibilities.

So?

Your machine does not deliver.

Yes it does. You're just completely missing the point of why we use Amiga's.

And that's the last (serious) reply I will give in this thread. Normally I can't be bothered to reply seriously to trolling, but for some reason I got annoyed with this thread.



And stop f***ing multi posting. Ever heard of copy & paste? Or is that obsolete in Windows Vista as well these days?

[Homer]

Yes indeed, Chrizz is trolling, no doubt about that. :horse:

Chrizz: You really have to get your head around this.
The Amiga principle is to do as much as possible with the available resources, to squeeze out every last drop of performance from the hardware. MS is the opposite. The future direction of computing must surely go towards lean applications running incredibly quickly on fast machines rather than MS bloatware forcing you to build ever faster machines (and then running just as slowly as the older software/OS did on the older hardware = no net gain AND no money in your pocket).

Now, what did I use a computer for ten years ago ?

1. Web browsing and email
2. Writing letters and faxes
3. Viewing and modifying photographs
4. Playing games

And what do I use a computer for now ?

1. Web browsing and email
2. Writing letters and faxes
3. Viewing and modifying photographs
4. Playing games

Spot the similarity ? Why would I need a new Windoze OS to do this when I can already do it ? Why would I then want to spend £1000+ to build a pc fast enough to run the new OS, after finding that the new OS is so bloated that it will not work with all eye candy turned on, on my present 1Gb/3Ghz machine ?

Consider this: How will MS entice people like me to spend money on something that I know I already have ? Doesn't sound like a good business model to me :lol:

I'd rather have a :pint:

[mr_a500]

I don't think Chrizz is trolling. He's just a bit confused and has an unfortunate "multiple-posting disability". (or is it more politically correct these days to say "single-post challenged"?)

He may have a point about other OSes being locked-out... if this stupid "video-bloatware" becomes popular and only runs on Vista. And he has a point about OS 4 being obsolete before it's even released.

The point he doesn't seem to get is that people who use retro machines don't give a rat's ass if they are "behind the times". That's the whole point.

And who needs any of the latest flashy video crap anyway? I prefer NOT to see tons of flash/video advertisements while browsing because it's extremely distracting. It's much easier to read when you don't see a bunch of annoying flashing things out of the corner of your eye.

My Amiga does just about everything I need a computer for (...and unlike Windows, it does what I tell it - not the other way around). As long as my Amiga is useful to me, I'll use it.

(posted with an Amiga 500)

[Chrizz]

The point he doesn't seem to get is that people who use retro machines don't give a rat's ass if they are "behind the times". That's the whole point.

That's not true. The whole Amiga community aches to see new hardware being released and new OS being developed.

[McVenco]

Chrizz wrote:

That's not true. The whole Amiga community aches to see new hardware being released and new OS being developed.

Oh wait, I finally understand this guy. He's under the impression that he is posting on AW.net... :-D

[Roondar]

Chrizz wrote:
That's not true. The whole Amiga community aches to see new hardware being released and new OS being developed.

Is that so...

FYI, I for one am perfectly happy doing retro stuff on an A600 with a flashram HDD replacement. Heck, I even regularly use an even more ancient C128 with a single floppy drive. For fun. And I'm 100% certain there are others on this site that are just like me.

Heck, I'd probably do stuff on a ZX81 if I had one just to see how that feels. Apart from the sore fingers of course.

Don't think you speak for everyone and don't mistake 'using/enjoying retro computers' for 'wanting a new Amiga'. It'd never be the same anyway, so why bother.

Other than that, I can do anything computer related I need to do on today's hardware with todays operating systems. I do not need Vista. Nor does anybody else. The only people who 'need' Vista are Microsoft and the people selling PC's.

[jkirk]

Chrizz wrote:

The point he doesn't seem to get is that people who use retro machines don't give a rat's ass if they are "behind the times". That's the whole point.

That's not true. The whole Amiga community aches to see new hardware being released and new OS being developed.

forgive him he knows not what he says :crazy:

chrizz if you joined to bash people's os it is best to move on. nobody here wants vista(and i use xp) i want amiga os new or old i don't care.

[Chrizz]

Other than that, I can do anything computer related I need to do on today's hardware with todays operating systems. I do not need Vista. Nor does anybody else. The only people who 'need' Vista are Microsoft and the people selling PC's.

That's why Microsoft sells while Amiga is dead.

[motorollin]

Chrizz, why are you here?

--
moto

[X-ray]

He is here to talk about his Amiga 2000 and Janus card  :-P

[mr_a500]

Oh wait! Now I understand. He works for Microsoft Sales! An intensive internet scan has found that some people here are using "non-standard" operating systems (meaning "non-Windows") and Microsoft Sales has a goal of 100% conformity.

"Untapped revenue potential has been found. Advertise at this location immediately. For maximum coverage, multiple posts are recommended."

[AJCopland]

WPF is interesting but to be honest all the DRM {bleep} is pushing me firmly towards Linux.

I'm a software engineer at a games company and we're even thinking of switching some of our apps from DirectX 9 to OpenGL as it gives you access to DX10 effects and hardware under WindowsXP without having to switch to the Vista bloatware, plus it could give us portability to Linux and Mac.

Mostly though i'm ok with the current state of the Amiga and it's OS just for hobby use. I gave up on hopes of a Next Generation Amiga that could take over the computing market many many years ago and as most people keep trying to very patiently point out to you it isn't going to happen.

So why are you here? Just trying to get us remaining Amiga user to give up and all switch to Vista? I mean does that make any sense?

Yay Vista will do lots of shiny things, and like previous versions of Windows it WILL JUST WORK, and in a much easier/user friendly manner than Linux, but who cares? This in case you hadn't noticed is an AMIGA website.

Andy

[bobamu]

Oh wait, I finally understand this guy. He's under the impression that he is posting on AW.net...

hahahaha

yes, that must be it

Tho I'm sure if it was aw this thread would have been locked and loaded into a cannon and fired out into the sea by now.  :lol:

chrizz, dude, really, I think the main problem is that you just don't "get" that most people here really just don't care.

So what you are going on about is largely :crazy: to most people on here.

[maffoo]

Chrizz wrote:

Amazing! now my 68060 csppc Amiga runs circles around your machine in terms of multi tasking and boot time  :-D

Your machine does not deliver.

How does it not deliver? It may not "deliver" for you, but there are a lot of people for whom Amiga does "deliver" while Vista won't.

Personally, Windows stopped "delivering" for me when I tried OSX. Now whenever I go back to Windows on my iMac it feels so clunky and outdated.

[amiga_3k]

Chrizz wrote:

That's not true. The whole Amiga community aches to see new hardware being released and new OS being developed.

Sure we all want new hardware and a new version of the OS. But not to wipe Window's butt. Not to proof they were all wrong and we're right. For me it would be a new challenge to squeeze out of the hard and software even more. Some people do amazing things on their 50 MHz 68030, 12MB RAM machines, imagine what they could do with even half decent hardware, say a 1 GHz powerPC with OS to match. I don't have the skills to write an OS. If I had, I'd already had a go in squeezing my aging Apple system.

The other day I've read an article about future hardware and software development. The keyword seems to become 'modular'. Modular processors [need more power? add an extra core instead of increasing the speed]. Modular OS-es [need it to do more, add a plug-in, now that sounds like OS3.1]. Modular, not a big dinosaur with breathing problems and a bad heart trying to do all but a smart OS that does what you really need.

[DonnyEMU]

This is just another typical response posting thread by Amiga fan boys taking any opportunity to trash Microsoft.

Well Vista would not be what it is today without the innovations done originally on the Amiga, however if you trash Vista and you have never used it well shame on you.

I don't really have to defend Vista or WPF, the applications and it's functions speak for itself. I am writing this on the Vista "Business" SKU right now and I will just say I don't worry about spyware or viruses, haven't since I installed it with Avast anti-virus.

The WPF applications really speak for themselves.


Here is a famous demo that was rewritten in WPF/XAML and this time in true 3d..



If you want to see more details check out Daniel Lehenbaur's Blog at
Daniel Lehenbauer's Blog

The improved functionality that just about anyone who can program in BASIC can take avantage of finally. The UI and system services and functionality has now improved with vista as well. The reliability monitor will now tell you about misbehaving applications and keep track of your system's over all health and you can watch applications and find problems and report problems to software makers..




Microsoft has risen above many OS problems with Vista. It's just a very mature OS for now very mature hardware.

AmigaOS isn't dead as long as people use it, but it's not fair to compare Apples to Oranges so to speak..

Also for those making the DRM comments about copy protection of materials (like the protected path stuff), if you own the original it works fine) and if you don't violate copyright laws then this new feature probably shouldn't bother you that it's there. It just protects the presenters original intellectual property rights.

Anyone complaining about this probably doesn't like this new safety feature because they steal other people's work.

I have no problem with this new functionality as it doesn't affect my work or my own creative works and it will actually protect them. So if you don't like this blame Hollywood, blame people who pirate stuff illegally that it is felt necessary that it be better protected.

These features don't impede your work.
-Don