Alans reply to Bill

[downix]

@Karlos

Truth is, this is the best thing that has happened to the Amiga since
Commodore died.  This bloodletting, this at-your-throat marketing.
Wanna know why?

Because it's better than what we'd get from the outside.  And whatever
company *does* make it will be stronger for having survived this
market "hazing" in the community.

Do you think Hyperion would be so gung-ho on AmigaoS 4.0 if MorphOS
wasn't already shipping?  Hell no, it would be a side-project for some
game ports they'd be doing for the Mac or Linux.  Do you think Eyetech
would have licensed a motherboard design from Mai rather than hire
some PCB layout guys to make their own?  Hell no, Eyetech doesn't need
those royalties that have got to be sucking on their pots a bit.

It's the very existance of the Pegasos and MorphOS that drives Eyetech
and Hyperion forward.  Without this competition, they'd feel secure in
their positions, and not put as much effort into delivering promptly.
By having an alternative, these two choices of Peg/MOS and A1/AOS4,
the Amiga market is doing something for the first time since
Commodore:

IT IS GROWING

There are people showing up for the first time in years, curious what
the hub bub is all about?  There are mac-heads and linux-freaks
looking in our direction.  In short, we've become alive again, due to
this cometition, this driving need to out-do the other one.  Hate Bill
Buck as much as you want, without him the community would still be
shrinking, there would be more changed-directions and broken promices
and altered goals, and in short more of the same since Commodore went
bust.

Demonize him as much as you'd like, the man has given us all something
to look forward to, a living, thriving community.

Why do I work for Bill?  Is it the paycheck?  No, I'd make more
working for my father.  Is it the prestige?  I'm a web-page draftsman,
what do you think?  No, it's because he is a leader, he has a vision
and a goal.  He's given me hope for a better tomorrow for our
cherished community.  

[Karlos]

@Downix,

I don't recall demonizing anybody on either side, thanks...

I agree that any interest is better than none, it's just a pity that the OS side of things wasn't more cooperative.

[meerschaum]

niether of the two people in question have done the things you mention

BPlan is part of Genesi... MorphOS team is part of Genesi... Genesi therefore holds credit for all those things... BBRV bieng the head of Genesi does deserve credit for bringing it all together...

. Both have bought into someone elses motherboard

BPlan is part of Genesi... and BPlan makes the Pegasos... pegasos is not someone elses product re-badged

I give BBRV and Genesi credit... BBRV took all the elements and brought them together into one complete company... to create a complete solution... to me thats a far cry from 'you pay me and I'll let you make an OS" ....

[Rogue]

Do you think Hyperion would be so gung-ho on AmigaoS 4.0 if MorphOS
wasn't already shipping? Hell no, it would be a side-project for some
game ports they'd be doing for the Mac or Linux

Downix, you are speculating. You are in no position to judge our motivation and motives, and I would like to ask you to stop this.

[amigamad]

@downix

 you work for him so you would never go against someone you work for even if you didnt agree with him.  :-(

[Glaucus]

Probably not. He usually starts this kind of crap.

Even if he doesn't start it, it seems he's always somehow involved. I think it's fair to say that Mr. Buck has been involved in more then his fair share of contraversy in this small community. Last time it was Mr. Buck and Amiga Inc (the old CEO scandal), now it's Buck and Alan (EyeTech). From my perspective it seems Mr. Buck likes to stir the pot and he does it very well.

  - Mike

[Argo]

Interesting, I've never seen Alan Redhouse use that address. Something about the wording a phaseing just seems off. This is one of the reasons I had sites without verified user accounts. You can't really tell who is really who.

[Argo]

yeah, shouldn't they be used more like knights.

[Argo]

Sad.  

[Rodney]

Wayne wrote:
It's interesting to see Alan coming out (if it really was him) with a blatant personal attack on Bill Buck where Bill Buck's comment was a sequence of events and was in no way a personal attack or "FUD" (I now loathe that stupid term).

I dont think anyone can try and pick whos right and whos  wrong, unless someone has some inside knowledge (although someone who has inside knowledge is most likly to be very bios).

As i see it there are two possibilities.

1) Alans being a retard and just trying to cover himself and trying to deflect BBRV's comments away from him.

OR

2) BBRV's events may have been right, but maybe, he really did piss off everyone else (and thats why MAI and TerrSoft left him) and Alan is defending himself, which he has every right to do so.

If the second senario is correct, then i dont think Alan was overboard, or harsh. Because if Bill did infact use Alans name missleadingly, i would have done the same thing in his shoes.

But, as i really have no idea whos right and whos wrong I'll just sit back and watch the show

@rodney

But the problem with your second scenario is that Bill Buck did not so much as mention Alan Redhouse.  Alan, if it was him, even admitted in his post that he went on the warpath simply because his name was in the subject header -- which I might add -- was there long before Bill's original sequence of events post.

The original post in that thread to mention Mr. Redhouse in the topic (which was the ONLY reason he went nuclear, by his own admission) was started by Seehund, not Bill Buck.

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/85735.shtml

It is only coincidence, and probably not even intentional on Bill's part that he replied to that particular post with that particular topic.

Before you Redcoats start banging the war drums, I'm not even remotely suggesting that Bill Buck is a saint.  He can be, and has been his own worst enemy in the past where his forum presence is concerned.  This post by Alan simply proves to me that both gentlemen would be better suited to working on their product than posting in public forums (although I still can't see anything wrong with BBRV's series of events post which would warrant such a reaction by Alan).

[Rodney]

This post by Alan simply proves to me that both gentlemen would be better suited to working on their product than posting in public forums

Couldnt Agree more

although I still can't see anything wrong with BBRV's series of events post which would warrant such a reaction by Alan

Yes it was harsh, maybe alan was just sticking up for his pals, TerraSoftware and MAI. Maybe Alan thinks Bills posts abouts those companies has an indirect negative effect on his business, since MAI and TerraSoft are now the bad guys, according to Bill.

Anyway, i think this all boils down to dont take your business home, or at least, in this situation, dont bitch about it to your friends/followers or cultmembers...

That goes for both sides of the story. Alan maybe just should have left it.

[Loki1]

I say lets have a poll!

Who is the biggest #### ####???

1. Bill Buck
2. Alan Redhouse
3. Harald Frank
4. Bill McEwen
5. Fleccy Moss
6. Wayne Hunt
7. Mike Bouma
8. ?
9. ?

Who would be the big winner?? ;-)

Loki  :-D

[logain]

@uncharted
Sorry, i have to say, that i didnt meant this as excuses for anyones
personal insult.

I just think Alan sometimes totally looses his grip like no other
official in this tiny community.
Look, both companies are sitting (cause of Mai) in the same boat. So
it comes not very unexpected, that Bill Buck answers to question about
what exactly happened and what had been done to solve the problems.
Bill Buck made a short summary about the events, very detailed and
interesting and when Alan replied i think everyone thought that he
would give such a summary from his kind of view too. Instead he
started badmouthing Genesi for screwing up partnerships etc.
He also reacted in a very rude and partly completly off-topic way when
the "April" was annouced and i think (and guess many would agree)
that it does make him look bad at all.  
I should mention, that i spoke to Alan during the A-Expo last year
and i think hes a very friendly and kind person in real-life. Just
cant understand why he sometimes overreacts so badly.:-?
 

[Kurt]

Wanye uhh forgive me.

But didn't BB claim that april fixed everything.
and isn't it strange that BB waited till all of the Pegasos boards were sold before mentioning that they don't work. Shouldn't that have been mentioned before people brought them. He NOW claims that he warned people that they where BETA boards. That was NEVER posted on his site or on any of the sites that sold the PEGASOS boards.

Uhh why should we believe him now and after what he has said in the past has proven to be false?
What about his statement that april was upgradable so that any and all bugs in the future could be addressed?

So if Pegasos one work has stopped.  I guess...? That means there also won't be any G4 upgrade boards offered by Thendic for the PEG ones hmm... wasn't that also waved about by the Morph crew?
 
Also Wayne look into BB's claim about why Terrasoft stopped selling the Boxer. The truth is enlightning and will tell you exactly what kind of person BB is.

Kurt

[harsh]

An observation:

It seems unlikely that anyone who is in a position to have cooperated with Jens Schoenfeld would misspell his name.

  Lee Bosch
  SalAmi Swami