Alans reply to Bill

[harsh]

An observation:

It seems unlikely that anyone who is in a position to have cooperated with Jens Schoenfeld would misspell his name.

  Lee Bosch
  SalAmi Swami

[N7VQM]

Rogue wrote:
Downix, you are speculating. You are in no position to judge our motivation and motives, and I would like to ask you to stop this.

Speculation is usually based on a combination of appearances and facts.  And, you have to admit, that prior performances (not necessarily by you or your company) make Downix's speculation seem to hold some water.

[Madgun68]

But didn't BB claim that april fixed everything.
and isn't it strange that BB waited till all of the Pegasos boards were sold before mentioning that they don't work. Shouldn't that have been mentioned before people brought them. He NOW claims that he warned people that they where BETA boards. That was NEVER posted on his site or on any of the sites that sold the PEGASOS boards.

I don't recall anyone saying that the April fixed everything. Perhaps it fixed every issue known at the time, but that doesn't mean that there aren't issues that aren't known.

Pegasos boards DO work. If they didn't work, I wouldn't be typing this right now. As far as people being told, the people in the programs that this involved were under NDA.. So no, the general public for the most part is not given such information. DUH.

So if Pegasos one work has stopped. I guess...? That means there also won't be any G4 upgrade boards offered by Thendic for the PEG ones hmm... wasn't that also waved about by the Morph crew?

Did you miss the part where Bill states July? The G4 board IS coming out. Then again, for the same exact price I can upgrade to the Pegasos 2 with a G4. Hmm. Wonder which one I'll choose.

Also Wayne look into BB's claim about why Terrasoft stopped selling the Boxer. The truth is enlightning and will tell you exactly what kind of person BB is.

Terrasoft has not officially stated why they stopped selling the boards. I've heard that it was because of quality issues. Regardless, funny how most boards that were supposed to use the Articia now aren't. That ought to say something.

[jeffimix]

Anyone else here capable of signing into #Amiga.org on IRc and changing their name to Alan_Redhouse. I sure as heck am. I sincerely doubt this things legitimacy. And sides, Wayne, why do you think that cause he says "no OS4 for you" that it thickens some stupid crock 'plot' about who owns Amiga Inc. I don't mean that as personal offense, I just think that  someone pulled a stunt with that stuff. Wayne, I've read a lot of your posts, your smarter than falling into that.

[Targhan]

@jeffmix

I agree with you.  While A.R. does occationally go on a rant, he usually does it with a purpose and within context.  However, I also agree with Wayne that whoever pulled this stunt is just full of sour-grapes...  Then again, I can be full of sour-grapes on occation too.

[chipper701]

Agreed. While I have been in and out of the Amiga sceen way too much, I do hear alot of complaining about BB and his attitude/respoces he gives others. I guess that things like that can wear thin on people. Even as good natured as people have percieved Alan to be.
I guess we all at one time or another have had all we can stand and have said or done things that in hinesight we have regreted. If this was an open posting for BB from Alan, then lets hope that now it is out of his system and doesnt go any further.
What does not kill us only serves to make us stronger. Let's move past this and move on to the important things like OS4.0

[AmiGR]

But didn't BB claim that april fixed everything.
and isn't it strange that BB waited till all of the Pegasos boards were sold before mentioning that they don't work. Shouldn't that have been mentioned before people brought them. He NOW claims that he warned people that they where BETA boards. That was NEVER posted on his site or on any of the sites that sold the PEGASOS boards.
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ARGH! He sold BetaTester boards. Buyers WERE
notified about the problem. Then they made the
April1 and replaced *ALL* boards without it for FREE.
Later it was discovered that there are more bugs
and the April2 was made. All April1 boards were
replaced FOR FREE.
Yes, he *DID* warn users that they were beta boards,
that's why they were called *BETATESTER* boards!
The April2 boards are NOT beta boards though.
Most major ArticiaS bugs are fixed there and most
people that had an April-less or April1 board can
confirm that.

BTW, the CPU cards for the Pegasos 1 and Pegasos 2
boards are identical and compatible. So yes, there
will be a G4 card for the Pegasos 1, as there will be
one for the Pegasos 2. Of course, it will work MUCH
better on the Peg2....

And about the Terrasoft Boxer. You have no idea why
they stopped, BB was their partner and knows, shut up.

[uncharted]

Wayne wrote:

Before you Redcoats start banging the war drums

Man, you Yanks can't go 5 minutes without bringing up the War of Independence can you? :lol: :lol:

[zacman]

>That was NEVER posted on his site or on any of the
>sites that sold the PEGASOS boards.

As always, you are wrong. KDH had the option to
chose a BT board or wait for the final release for
example. Other dealers linked to morphos-news.de
which had the announcement about Betatester2
boards.

>So if Pegasos one work has stopped. I guess...?

Of course the design and experience is used to
develop the further products, such as the STB that
will be shown in the Netherlands in June.

>That means there also won't be any G4 upgrade
>boards offered by Thendic for the PEG ones hmm

Wrong. The G4 CPU card will be available in July.
Because the CPU slot of the Pegasos1 and
Pegasos2 are similar you can exchange CPU cards
which also means any CPU option available for
Pegasos2 is available for Pegasos1 owners.

And: 200EUR for the G4 CPU card isn't a bad price. It
just means that some lucky users get a Pegasos1
with G3 and G4 for 499EUR.

[uncharted]

meerschaum wrote:

niether of the two people in question have done the things you mention

BPlan is part of Genesi... MorphOS team is part of Genesi... Genesi therefore holds credit for all those things... BBRV bieng the head of Genesi does deserve credit for bringing it all together...

. Both have bought into someone elses motherboard

BPlan is part of Genesi... and BPlan makes the Pegasos... pegasos is not someone elses product re-badged

I give BBRV and Genesi credit... BBRV took all the elements and brought them together into one complete company... to create a complete solution... to me thats a far cry from 'you pay me and I'll let you make an OS" ....

I'm afraid that's flawed logic.  In the orginal statement Bill himself stated that he wasn't involved with BPlan until November 2001. MorphOS was already available as a CSPPC beta, and Bplan had announced the Pegasos (Although then it was called the AmigaOne :-D ) waaay back in 2000 so I would think it would be safe to assume that the project was already well advanced.  Sure Bill took a chance on the project and funded it, to which he deserves credit.  

But to me throwing money at something does not warrent me to respect someone.  In different ways they both bought into someone else's development, took a risk and invested.  Yeah I can see there being 1001 of the usual suspects disagreeing with me, and trying to tell me that every thing Genesi is better and that Bill is the saviour of the Amiga platform.  But look closely and think about it carefully and you'll see I'm right.

I think you are confusing things here because Genesi are one entity whereas the opposition are 3 seperate companies.  Alan never did "you pay me and I'll let you make an OS", in fact aside from the fact that Hyperion provided the BIOS for MAI, Eyetech have absolutely jack all to do with OS 4.  Comparing like for like Bill's counterpart in all this would erm, Bill - the other Bill, the "Head of the Amiga infrastructure".  In this case Bill B would beat Bill M hands down if your were to compare them.

[dammy]

by Rogue on 2003/5/17 19:37:04

Downix, you are speculating. You are in no position to judge our motivation and motives, and I would like to ask you to stop this.

If I were you all, I'd be far more worried on what's going on with Amiga Inc then what Downix is saying.  I could think of several things that could make your entire OS4 project a complete waste of time and effort if Net Ventures pulls the plug...

Dammy

[Targhan]

@zacman

Agreed.  Also, I should note for our US visitors that I will be accompanied by a (maybe more than one?) G4 card on my way to AmiWest.  (according to my last bit of info).  Whith as quick as the G3 has been under MOS, I can only imagine that the G4 will be mind-blowing.

Targhan wrote:
@zacman

Agreed.  Also, I should note for our US visitors that I will be accompanied by a (maybe more than one?) G4 card on my way to AmiWest.  (according to my last bit of info).  Whith as quick as the G3 has been under MOS, I can only imagine that the G4 will be mind-blowing.

Fantastic!  End of next week I'll have the money for my Pegasos 1, I think a G4 upgrade will be next on my list at the cheap price of $200!

[IonDeluxe]

I find that the author of this particular thread is largely irrevalent when compared to what was said.
Through my own research I have found this theme to be recurring, all the way back to the Escom Viscorp. deal, and so I find myself agreeing with it.

I simply cant believe that someone with the experience Mr Buck claims to have, backed by the training in leadership skills westpoint gave him could become such a innocent and hapless victim of such shenanigans time and time again.

This leads me to conclude that Mr Buck is either:
A) Hopelessly incompetant
or
B) Has a personality failing that causes this that he is unable to recognize and\or rectify.

I lean towards option B simply because one does not get such a group as the pheonix consortium on side when you are incompetant.It is my thought that the same personalty traits the are charismatic and persausive to many people, act in exactly the opposite way with others in the case of Mr Buck.

My final conclusion assuming optiob B is correct is that Mr Buck has "cried wolf" just one too many times, though his post I must admit has shown a great deal more dignity than his other recnt posts and is good to see.

All this aside I wish all the parties involved in the Amiga community to just pull thier heads in, swallow thier pride and pull together in the one direction and start competing with the real opposition being Mac PC and Linux to expand the Amiga market rather than this cannibalization thats going on.
This includes everyone from Mr Buck tand Mr Mcewen, to Mr Meyers and Mr Frank.

[Methuselas]

Sigh....and people wonder why so many of us have the 'wait and see'mentality. I certainly would love to have a POS or an A1, but realistically, I don't have the money to spend on either, so I wait and see what they BOTH have to offer. I'm not sided towards either one, but who cares??? They both talk sh!t and they both fud. Neither have proven anything to me, except they both know how to start crap. Sadly, I'm to the point that I don't care for either anymore. Bill just likes to Troll and I'm frustrated waiting for new Screenshots.  I'll just stick with my 2000 Box, my RH Box and my Amithlon Box.  :-(  

[dammy]

by IonDeluxe on 2003/5/18 15:47:14

All this aside I wish all the parties involved in the Amiga community to just pull thier heads in, swallow thier pride and pull together in the one direction and start competing with the real opposition being Mac PC and Linux to expand the Amiga market rather than this cannibalization thats going on.
This includes everyone from Mr Buck tand Mr Mcewen, to Mr Meyers and Mr Frank.

Not going to happen.  Garry Hare and Bill Buck getting along, OTOH, is a possibilitiy.  Mr. Franks returning to reality is unlikely as a certain OSNews wank/modator gaining respect from any non-FFONTC community member(s).  Mr Meyers, AFAIK, now has a real job now so I doubt he would be interested.  Sure, it would be wonderful if we all could get along, but in short, that's not real life.  

In real life, we acknowledge what we do have in the here and now while we move forward into the future with hope.

Dammy