Alans reply to Bill

[McNorris]

More technology!!!

Less intrigue!!!

Jesus...

[meerschaum]

@PulsatingQuasar I'd like to you find one incidence where BBRV personally attacked someone outright like that... he's never done that from what I've seen..

[olegil]

With you on that one, McNorris.

[amigamad]

@Wayne

my personal attacks ?

What about your personal attacks on alan redhouse and eyetech or are personal atacks a one way thing with bbrv left out.? :-?

[redrumloa]

amigamad wrote:
@Glaucus

I'm with Alan! I have no respect at all for Mr. Buck and I find it troubling that he has any public support at all.

 

I agree
I bet they remove these post freedom of speech is not allowed here when it comes to bbrv :-o

No we are allowing you to make a fool of yourself for the time being. you are not helping your cause, but then again you are probably a parody of a troll.

[uncharted]

Wayne wrote:
@uncharted

Why are you so desperate to turn this around on Bill Buck?  Both are guilty of personal overreactions.  That was the only point of my initial comment.

In this case, "Alan" (again, quoted because it might not be him) acted badly.  

Both are equally guilty of being human and acting as such when they feel provoked.  It reflects badly on everyone when it happens.  Just don't expect either man to act less than human when it comes to the other party.

You misunderstand, this isn't trying to turn this back on Bill, as I said before, there was nothing I would consider abusive or rude at any stretch of the imagination.  Whilst I am suspicious of the motives behind the postings or if the events depicted are  as it happened, there is no way I can make anything bad out of Bill's statement.

What gets me is how people are so quick to condemn "Alan" yet jump to the defence of Bill during similar or worse incidents.  If you like I'm trying to balance it out, by pointing out (as you have said yourself) that this happens sometimes to everyone.

Personally I don't see much wrong with this statement, (in fact I'd say the things are the way they are now becuase X pissed off Y at some point in the past and both have too much pride to put differences aside) but then again I don't have much respect for either individual, niether is the perfect angel the blind followers on either side make them out to be.

[meerschaum]

uncharted to me its like this...you need to 'earn' my respect and admiration... Alan hasnt done that.... has he created a motherboard? has he created an OS? has he come down to the grass roots level to talk to people like me and others about the platform?..... he'll win my respect when he does some of those things....
I hope BBRV dosent sink down to the level of responding to his post there... if indeed that is/was his post...

[amigamad]

.you need to 'earn' my respect

Same goes for bbrv they have made more attacks on more people but that goes un noticed.

[uncharted]

meerschaum wrote:
uncharted to me its like this...you need to 'earn' my respect and admiration... Alan hasnt done that.... has he created a motherboard? has he created an OS? has he come down to the grass roots level to talk to people like me and others about the platform?..... he'll win my respect when he does some of those things....
I hope BBRV dosent sink down to the level of responding to his post there... if indeed that is/was his post...

I agree If you want respect it needs to be earnt.  However niether of the two people in question have done the things you mention.  Both have bought into someone elses motherboard (Alan's case Mai's teron, Bill's case BPlan's pegasos) and OS (Alan - Hyperion through licensing via Amiga Inc. Bill - through the efforts of the MorphOS team)  I have witnessed both take part in forums and mail-lists and both talk to "ordinary" people face to face at WOASE, but I wouldn't say that would be something to respect, but rather expect.

There are only a handful of people in this community that I actually hold true respect for:-

The Freidens
Felix Schwartz
The AROS Team
Olaf Barthel
Bernie Mayer
Davy Wentzler
Neil Bothwick
Bill Bosari
SimoAmi
Wayne Hunt

Maybe I shouldn't of singled people and groups out, but hey, these are all great guy's who's effort and work is greatly appreciated by me and who I think have good community related motives behind their effort and support. Whether or not I always agree with them is a differnt matter :-)

I too hope that Bill doesn't lower himself into a reply, it won't do anyone any good. But if it does turn out to be Alan, please recognise  that Bill has also had his "moments" in the past.  As Wayne said we are only human.

[Glames]

Hello Wayne,

Wayne wrote:
It's interesting to see Alan coming out (if it really was him) with a blatant personal attack on Bill Buck where Bill Buck's comment was a sequence of events and was in no way a personal attack or "FUD" (I now loathe that stupid term).

I think BBRV told us a story, and even a funny story
I particularly the "IBM forces Mai to ship the chips" statement... Who can really believe that BB has influence on IBM?

Tcho,

Glames / Boing Attitude

[Glames]

Just a few words to add that I have an A1 XE G4 that perfectly works with DMA enabled, FSB 133 Mhz.

Just a fact for Mister "no Articia without april fix"

Thank you.

Tcho,

Glames / Boing Attitude

[Tomas]

But if Alan Redhouse retailiates then that is unacceptable? Sure fighting fire with fire isn't the best thing to do, but why is Bill excused in his behaviour, but Alan is not?

Same do i wonder....
Its not even sure it was Alan..

[Karlos]

Good grief!

Are you lot still at it?

:-)

[PulsatingQuasar]

@Tomas

Same do i wonder....

That's because these MorphOS/Pegasos anti Amiga Inc. people  think they are so bloody enlightened it's getting pathetic.

They constantly call the AmigaOne / AmigaOS 4 waiters blind followers and more stuff like that but are quilty of the same exact thing. They are as blind to the bad business tactics of Genesi and Bill Buck as we are with Amiga Inc.  :-x

But noooooooooo (sarcasm) they are so enlightened. They follow the Pegasos / MorphOS route.

With the business tactics of Bill Buck, I will also give them 600 Pegasos 2 before Marvell say 'I won't deliver to you anymore'.

[PulsatingQuasar]

@uncharted

I think you really left out a bunch of other people there;  :-)

Steffen Heauser( the other driving force behind Hyperion);
Martin Elsner;
Harry Sintonen;
every single person on the OS4 team like Stephan Rupprecht;

[downix]

@Karlos

Truth is, this is the best thing that has happened to the Amiga since
Commodore died.  This bloodletting, this at-your-throat marketing.
Wanna know why?

Because it's better than what we'd get from the outside.  And whatever
company *does* make it will be stronger for having survived this
market "hazing" in the community.

Do you think Hyperion would be so gung-ho on AmigaoS 4.0 if MorphOS
wasn't already shipping?  Hell no, it would be a side-project for some
game ports they'd be doing for the Mac or Linux.  Do you think Eyetech
would have licensed a motherboard design from Mai rather than hire
some PCB layout guys to make their own?  Hell no, Eyetech doesn't need
those royalties that have got to be sucking on their pots a bit.

It's the very existance of the Pegasos and MorphOS that drives Eyetech
and Hyperion forward.  Without this competition, they'd feel secure in
their positions, and not put as much effort into delivering promptly.
By having an alternative, these two choices of Peg/MOS and A1/AOS4,
the Amiga market is doing something for the first time since
Commodore:

IT IS GROWING

There are people showing up for the first time in years, curious what
the hub bub is all about?  There are mac-heads and linux-freaks
looking in our direction.  In short, we've become alive again, due to
this cometition, this driving need to out-do the other one.  Hate Bill
Buck as much as you want, without him the community would still be
shrinking, there would be more changed-directions and broken promices
and altered goals, and in short more of the same since Commodore went
bust.

Demonize him as much as you'd like, the man has given us all something
to look forward to, a living, thriving community.

Why do I work for Bill?  Is it the paycheck?  No, I'd make more
working for my father.  Is it the prestige?  I'm a web-page draftsman,
what do you think?  No, it's because he is a leader, he has a vision
and a goal.  He's given me hope for a better tomorrow for our
cherished community.