Testimony from former AInc developer, Mr Peck (?)

[Argo]

Good taste?

[Jethro_Tull]

@Wayne
No, these are not business tactics.  Attacking people on a personal level, demaining them and sometimes literally stalking them are definitly not business tactics.  I will not be giving my hard earned cash to someone like BBRV, who literally crucifies whoever gets in his way.  Finally, I'm surprised at how quickly you sweep BBRV's troublsome past under the carpet.

@redrumloa
You're sidestepping the subject.  My mail was about BBRV using Amiga Inc's alleged troubles for his own profits, when he did far worst with his previous business venture, which went bankrupt and took other valuable Amiga companies in the grave with it.

@toRus
'Well, it's hard for me to trust anything from Genesi, Bill Buck et al and I DO care about Amiga as a platform so that makes me Pro Amiga Inc.'
 I agree 101%, well said.  At the end of the day, we're here to support the Amiga platform, not pale imitations.  Hopefully Hyperion are coding away while we're writing all of this, so the new Amiga computer can finally see the light of the day!

Thanks ppl

[Jose]

Trust noone. It's that simple.

[Argo]

I'm assuming a re-org too. I assume the Dutch investors and the other investors would like to at least get most of their invested money back. It seems that (from what "information" has been posted) a liquidation of Amiga, Inc. assest would not amount to much. Leaving two options for investors; be stuck with a 5+ million dollar loss or reorganize and try to make it work in hopes of getting their investment back with , hopefully, abit of profit.

P.S. Has anyone scared up any info on these Dutch investors that own 50% of Amiga, Inc. and or a decent bio of Garry Hare?

[Paul_Gadd]

I DO care about Amiga as a platform so that makes me Pro Amiga Inc.'

So to care about the Amiga you have to support a Mickey Mouse company what are involved in all sorts of fraud and deception?

Nonsence, i think AOS is great and have been using it since the late 80s but there is no way i will defend cowboy companies just so i can be branded a TRUE AMIGAN, blindness is wrong.

[Argo]

Hey, Don't talk about Disney that way!  :-P

[Warface]

Just an idea... Told many times.

But now as the management responsible for the split in the community (MOS/OS4) is in trouble, wouldn't it be wise to join the efforts instead of finalizing the damage? I'd love to see Hyperion games popping up on MOS, not to mention, if they join forces the development curve of a joined OS can be skyrocketed... IMO

[MarkTime]

When commodore folded, ppl left the platform in droves, and developers too.

and what we saw, was a computer that once previously often got the best software and got it first...being delegated to the occasional also-ran, and that hurt.

to where we are now, we don't have as much to lose now....but still this has got to hurt sales of the AmigaONE....I know some people will purchase no matter what, but this is confidence shaker.

I hope they do something and soon.  I hold out the possibility that this could all be for the best and bring the community back together as well....possible.

on another subject.
No, BBRV isn't just eccentric.  

Apple Mac OS X CANNOT RUN ON  A PEGASOS or on an AMIGAONE.  It's a violation of American law.  The EULA prohibits it, and for better or worse the DMCA laws here back that up.

lawbreaking is going too far.  And I am not ready to make a citizens arrest, or accuse someone of breaking the law (not doing that) but I do observe the websites showing MorphOS/pegasos and for that matter linux/AmigaONE violating apple's eula.  That needs to be clarified...and btw...c'mon.

I can respect a loud mouthed eccentric, I don't know why, but its in my heart to forgive such a failing.

But some things are a bridge too far.

No, these are not business tactics. Attacking people on a personal level, demaining them and sometimes literally stalking them are definitly not business tactics.

Forgive me if I am wrong.  I might not know everything involved, so I would seriously, honestly like to be corrected if I am wrong, but I have never seen BBRV attack anyone on a personal level or demeaning them.  I ***HAVE*** seen Bill Buck trying to defend himself against the onslaught of people screaming at him and trying to slam him.  Sometimes he has gone a little overboard, but you need to understand something.  Attacking is to come first.  Anything after that is defending.  

If you call me a liar and I call you a moron, which one of us is at fault?

I will not be giving my hard earned cash to someone like BBRV, who literally crucifies whoever gets in his way.

Then I guess you'll never eat at McDonalds, or Burger King.  Buying a PC is out of the question, and you'll never, ever own any sort of automobile or wear any clothes.  Each of these markets is cut-throat.  That is business.  This is business.

Finally, I'm surprised at how quickly you sweep BBRV's troublsome past under the carpet.

Again, I'm not aware of his past, only his present.  Please let me know in very clear terms exactly how BBRV's alleged past is relevant to this current situation?

Apple Mac OS X CANNOT RUN ON A PEGASOS or on an AMIGAONE. It's a violation of American law.

Well, AFAIK Genesi is a European held company and running OSX on an A1 or Peg is NOT a violation of European law.  If I buy a piece of software, it is mine.  I can do with it what I please within the limits of UK law and EU law. No American lawyer will be able to stop me.  They can have a try if they want.

[MarkTime]

except Genesi operates in the U.S., as one of its countries...they announced this, and if they violate American law, then they can be held liable.

certainly I don't think you personally are in any danger.

I won't comment on european law only because it isn't necessary, however they do have their own versions of 'dmca' type laws.

I won't comment on european law only because it isn't necessary, however they do have their own versions of 'dmca' type laws.

EULA's are worth nothing over here.

Even in the states though, I can't see how people running MacOSX on a Peg would get Genesi in trouble with the law.

To the best of my knowledge (BBRV is welcome to correct me if I am wrong), I have never seen Genesi talk about selling the other OS's.  They certainly can't help if their hardware supports it though.

Selling I think is the part that might land them in hot water.

[dammy]

Until Genesi is even noticed on Apple's RADAR, I doubt anything would happen.  I will point out all the different third party boards came out for the Amigas to run MacOS on and Apple never bitched.  Now that Apple is into the music biz, they may have even greater tollerances for MOL style apps.

Now where is Samface at?  I think he has ALOT of explaining to do about this thread and his fanatical support of Amiga Inc...

Now where is Samface at? I think he has ALOT of explaining to do about this thread and his fanatical support of Amiga Inc...

Don't be so quick to point the finger at other site members or twist the blade here folks.  Forgive and forget and all that jazz.

We all have opinions.  Statistically, 50% of them are wrong.

[MarkTime]

I think you all are being geniune so let me be geniune.

I have observed apple for some time.
And, they aren't nice and will be upset, if they ever find out about something...I won't do it, but BB has enough enemies that you never know what someone will do.

Here is the thing...in the U.S. it is illegal to even post instruction on how to violate a copyright protection.
Forget about europe, again I know europe has some laws of their own.  You are taking it from the wrong angle..you can do what you want with your own hardware...what you cannot do, even in europe, is what you want with Mac OS X.  It's not yours, you only buy a restricted license to use it.

Anyway, I will accept the idea its different in europe, so lets consider the u.s. only.
Apple's Mac OS X checks for apple hardware.
In order to run Mac OS X on non-apple hardware,
you have to modify a copy protection scheme.

If you do that, you broke the dmca, if you post how you did it, you broke the dmca.  If you hired someone to do it, you broke the dmca.

If you do it, you will get a threat, like,:

You should be aware that Apple has never authorized you modify the Software. Moreover, by providing instructions on how to modify and circumvent restrictions within the Software, you are infringing Apple's copyrights in violation of the Copyright Act and engaging in acts of unfair competition in violation of the Lanham Act. Additionally, Apple's license agreement, which you accepted upon purchasing a copy of the Software, specifically prohibits you from copying, decompiling, reverse engineering, disassembling, modifying or creating derivative works of the Software.

Consequently, on behalf of our client, we demand that you cease and desist from publishing or distributing the above-referenced materials. We believe that this is a very serious matter....

you get the idea.

Now my own personal take....
its wrong, we'd go ape ASDFAS if someone stole OS 4, or probably the same with MorphOS....its a matter of respect....

I'm not a tattle tale, don't worry about me...but why cant they just come out against it.  Say they dislike it, don't want it, don't need it....don't anyone do it.

well....i think a lot of us know why....but I'd still like to see it happen.