Testimony from former AInc developer, Mr Peck (?)

[MarkTime]

I think you all are being geniune so let me be geniune.

I have observed apple for some time.
And, they aren't nice and will be upset, if they ever find out about something...I won't do it, but BB has enough enemies that you never know what someone will do.

Here is the thing...in the U.S. it is illegal to even post instruction on how to violate a copyright protection.
Forget about europe, again I know europe has some laws of their own.  You are taking it from the wrong angle..you can do what you want with your own hardware...what you cannot do, even in europe, is what you want with Mac OS X.  It's not yours, you only buy a restricted license to use it.

Anyway, I will accept the idea its different in europe, so lets consider the u.s. only.
Apple's Mac OS X checks for apple hardware.
In order to run Mac OS X on non-apple hardware,
you have to modify a copy protection scheme.

If you do that, you broke the dmca, if you post how you did it, you broke the dmca.  If you hired someone to do it, you broke the dmca.

If you do it, you will get a threat, like,:

You should be aware that Apple has never authorized you modify the Software. Moreover, by providing instructions on how to modify and circumvent restrictions within the Software, you are infringing Apple's copyrights in violation of the Copyright Act and engaging in acts of unfair competition in violation of the Lanham Act. Additionally, Apple's license agreement, which you accepted upon purchasing a copy of the Software, specifically prohibits you from copying, decompiling, reverse engineering, disassembling, modifying or creating derivative works of the Software.

Consequently, on behalf of our client, we demand that you cease and desist from publishing or distributing the above-referenced materials. We believe that this is a very serious matter....

you get the idea.

Now my own personal take....
its wrong, we'd go ape ASDFAS if someone stole OS 4, or probably the same with MorphOS....its a matter of respect....

I'm not a tattle tale, don't worry about me...but why cant they just come out against it.  Say they dislike it, don't want it, don't need it....don't anyone do it.

well....i think a lot of us know why....but I'd still like to see it happen.

[Turrican]

You should be aware that Apple has never authorized you modify the Software. Moreover, by providing instructions on how to modify and circumvent restrictions within the Software, you are infringing Apple's copyrights in violation of the Copyright Act and engaging in acts of unfair competition in violation of the Lanham Act. Additionally, Apple's license agreement, which you accepted upon purchasing a copy of the Software, specifically prohibits you from copying, decompiling, reverse engineering, disassembling, modifying or creating derivative works of the Software.

As I am very much ignorant on how MOL works, I thought it was some sort of emulator (like WinUAE).

Is it? And if it is how exactly daoes it make it illegal?

[Madgun68]

Does someone have some popcorn? Things are becoming stranger and stranger all the time.

What do you do when you've had your fill of working for Amiga Inc? Start up a users group for what product?

At least I don't need to rent any movies for a while. This is playing out to be a lifetime supply of entertainment.

what you cannot do, even in europe, is what you want with Mac OS X. It's not yours, you only buy a restricted license to use it.

That is not correct.  I can do what the hell I want with the software as long as I don't pirate it.  Unless I sign a contract physically when I buy MacOSX that say's I agree not to run it on non-apple hardware then I am bound by no licence at all.  This counts for GPL too.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Madgun68

That's exactly what I would have done!

[chris]

redrumloa wrote:
 If you were to base product purchases soley on what a senior officer at the respective company has been known to say, you would never buy anything.

You've never heard the story of Gerald Ratner then?  It shows that people will base purposes on what senior officers of companies say.

Chris

[huronking]

Wait a sec. Apple really dosent want OSX to run on
anything but the newer G3/G4's. In fact, it will not
install out of the box on anything else. You have to
kludge it to install it on even a old PowerMac by
shoehorning it with OS9.2.2.

But, thousands of 9500's are running it with accelerators, and all the info you need is found
on places like lowendmac.com. Yes, it is
Apple hardware, but it is NOT what Apple intended
OSX to run on, and is probably a  violation
of the EULA. (I havent read it.) Now, were talking
about a heck of a lot more low end upgradeable
Macs than Genesi will ever sell of Pegs.  The
DMCA is serious legislation, but lets keep some
perspective here.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Madgun68

As I wrote in an earlier post, recent events answeres a lot of previously unanswered questions.

During the last years a lot of things has happend around Amiga Inc (and Genesi) that has caused numerous heated debates on ann.lu, amiga.org and other forums. We debated each piece and then moved on. But what has been debated is only pieces ripped out of a bigger context. Many of us didn't see that all those things was pieces of a puzzle. But now the puzzle starts coming together and the whole picture becomes clear. Suddenly it all makes sense.

[Argo]

"Does someone have some popcorn?"

Yeah, try Jolly Time healthy pop. It's 94% fat free. Might as well be healthy and entertained.

I wonder who wil be nominated for an Emmy...

[bhoggett]

@mdma

That is not correct.  I can do what the hell I want with the software as long as I don't pirate it.  Unless I sign a contract physically when I buy MacOSX that say's I agree not to run it on non-apple hardware then I am bound by no licence at all.  This counts for GPL too.

I don't know about the MacOS X license, but the GPL isn't that simple. If you do not accept the GPL license, you have no permission to use the code, and are therefore in breach of copyright law.

Of course, that's the theory and you may claim that you can do otherwise and no one can touch you. We haven't had a test case under UK law (AFAIK) so there's no precedent to go by.

If you do not accept the GPL license, you have no permission to use the code, and are therefore in breach of copyright law.

This is what I meant by " I can do what the hell I want with the software as long as I don't pirate it."

I should have been a bit more specific

-edit-

i.e I can do anything that is against the licence the software is released under, as long as it is not distributed to anyone else.

[Tomas]

this is indeed sad... I guess Amiga is officially dead now... i feel sorry for those people that bought the AmigaONE to run AmigaOS on... So my feeling was true about that coupons was to raise funding.... sigh   :boohoo:

[Paul_Gadd]

@Tomas

The Amiga is not dead, the only thing what is dead is Amiga Inc.

They have been exposed which is a damn good thing at long last, bunch of idiots the lot of them.

A certain site is still continuing with that Fleecy Q&L questions and lies, in Fleecy we trust.

How are you holding up Fleecy? Take heart, you guys held on for quite a while. Thanks for the effort, despite all the trolls and the antagonists running around, the rest of appreciate it.

Hang in there.

Why the continued support to a low life lying bastard? they are scum who have ripped off members of the Amiga community and you guys are praising them. something is f*cked up somewhere.

They have been exposed which is a damn good thing at long last, bunch of idiots the lot of them.

They make Enron look like a trustworthy establishment! ;-)

[xisp]

by Tomas on 2003/5/3 0:59:34

this is indeed sad... I guess Amiga is officially dead now... i feel sorry for those people that bought the AmigaONE to run AmigaOS on... So my feeling was true about that coupons was to raise funding.... sigh  

What is really sad is idolatrism in IT industry.

You will cry a lot more in 2004 when I will be near
nirvana with Hyperion's AOS4.1 or
Morphos 2 and you die of incompleteness with
your PC. :-x

@MarkTime

except you're wrong about it actually useing MacOSX... it uses MacOnLinux wich is legal in the US... MacOnLinux is far from native MacOS...and I doubt apple caresd about the 10 or so people nationwide who use it...
In fact Amigas in the past sold those mac cards...my A2000 had one... it allowed me to run MacOS...it wasnt illegal...and actually was better then a mac...

BBRV isnt selling MacOnLinux, their not selling OSX, their selling a board capable of running Linux, and capable of running MacOnLinux, anc therefore capable of having OSX installed to run in a window from Linux.....this is not copyright infringement...

The AmigaOne/Barbie or any PPC based system that runs Linux for that matter can do the same thing...you need to go look it up... Genesi  may demo the system running MacOnLinux but they dont sell it with OSX... it's not illegal...their not that stupid...