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Offline colinstu

060 or PPC
« on: February 22, 2006, 05:10:12 AM »
What is faster (more prefered, etc) a 68060 or a PPC processor? (for the 1200).

Also what is the recommened amount of RAM for a 1200? (Good amount, not a useless amount but neither not enough).

Can I get Amiga 1200's from other places besides eBay? (cheapily too. $0.00-$100 [I would acctually want 0-50$]).

If all goes to plan I would want to put it in a DBOX 1200. The case looks very nice, lots of expansion (vs. keeping it in the amiga 1200 case) and it is already modded. And also are there any places that I can get this cheaper? (vs. $100 somthing)

And also would the Linksys WUSB54G USB device work with this? Or a Linksys wi-fi card? Wi-fi card at all?

-Colin Stuart
 

Offline Lando

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2006, 06:33:14 AM »
In all honesty, a PPC card is just an expensive toy.  Not that the hardware is a toy - they're very good, well-made boards - just that the amount of really good software available to use them probably barely reaches double figures.  If you have money to burn then get one, other wise stick with the 060 - in normal daily usage an A1200/060 will feel a lot faster than an A1200 040/PPC.

I've owned several PPC cards and only used them for playing games like quake and shogo (which I could have ran at 10x the speed on the PC sitting 3 feet away), PPC picture datatypes, and emulators - considering the cost of the boards it isn't worth it.

A decent amount of RAM for an A1200 would be 64MB - enough to comfortably run OS3.9 and several applications.  If you're going to be working with art packages and lots of high resolution images then you could get more - 72pin simms can be picked up for a few cents these days on eBay.  The maximum you can put into an A1200 is 256MB.

I don't think there's anywhere cheaper than eBay to get an A1200.  There's Amibench, there's a 'for sale' section here and at amigaworld.net, and there are various online resellers, but eBay is the cheapest.

Nor can I think of a cheaper way to get a pre-modded tower case.  You could buy a cheap PC case amd mod it yourself, but you'd have to be pretty handy with a Dremel and it would take a lot of time and work, and still wouldn't look as good as the Elbox one.
 

Offline keropi

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2006, 06:57:19 AM »
agreed, ppc boards are to be consider a luxury , lol , but perhaps you can get a 060 ppc board (like me) so you have both...
I only use ppc for datatypes and mp3's ATM... as I have said before, it is better to consider the ppc as a companion-helper cpu... there is soft for ppc, but the good ones are few... :crazy:

Offline Framiga

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2006, 07:49:32 AM »
or if you want to run MorphOS on your PowerUp card.

Everyone with a PowerUP should give a try. After all, its the only PPC OS available for Amiga Classic. Very stable, fast with the JIT 68K emulation and free.

Waiting the AOS4 for PowerUP :-)
 

Offline doctorq

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2006, 07:50:51 AM »
It's fair enough to don't want to spent a lot of cash on an A1200, but forget about getting an A1200 with a high end CPU for the amount you have put up. Most times even a Blizzard 1230 board ends up in around 70-80 USD...

Cheap and Amiga doesn't quite match I'm afraid. Unless you want to go A500 and floppies :-)
 

Offline ferrellsl

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2006, 08:18:31 AM »
You can try Vesalia for an A1200 but it'll cost more than 50 USD.  They can customize it too.

www.vesalia.de
 

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Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2006, 08:32:34 AM »
tell me how fast is morphos on a classic with regard to en ulating games and playing thme throguh bvision for instance
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Offline pVC

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2006, 09:09:27 AM »
I'd say get 060 in any case. If you can afford and find, then get 060 with PPC. 040 just isn't quite enough for most of programs you will run, as most of them are 68k anyway. I'd recommend to get SCSI too, as it makes things much fluent on 68k systems.

64M will be fine for most of the things, but get 128M if you want to be sure :) 256M is viagra replacement ;)
Daily MorphOS user and Amiga active.
 

Offline Framiga

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2006, 09:29:54 AM »
@JJ

a little bit faster than the real 60060@60Mhz BUT on CSPPC200Mhz and CVPPC (remember that CGX5 is PPC native).

On BlizzPPC-BVision, don't know (i may only suppose slower, obviously).

About games, i've tested only WOS/W3D stuff with W3D for Classic and they run as fast as on AmigaOS.

In few words, it works very well.

Even apps/cards that i thought impossible to see it working, works.

PAR with its CaptureCard (its GUI requires NewMode)

XSurf2 with Genesis or MiamiDX

2 GFX cards up&running (CVPPC and CV64)

TBCPlus (TBC card)

RepulseGold (audio card)

UWSCSI and IDE (no 4 way adapters)
 

Offline colinstu

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2006, 09:37:37 PM »
Where could I buy a 060 upgrade card?(besides ebay?).

Also, I know that people've got Optical drives and Hard drives to work, but are they SCSI or IDE? I know the 1200 has a pin connector to the left of the board the people plug-in a spliter thing, and then connect there drives with it. Could somebody tell me more about that?

 

Offline lurkist

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2006, 09:51:12 PM »
Cards are no longer manufactured so you will only find them second hand (and generally in the places already mentioned, but have a look at Amigakit.com as well).

If by optical drives you mean the LS-120 types, don`t bother.  I had one for a while, it was a bit dodgy and I swapped it for a CD-RW and never looked back.  A hard drive on the other hand is almost essential.

SCSI sounds like it`s faster and more stable than IDE, but it`s more expensive, more rare and more difficult to set up.

The port in the A1200 is indeed an IDE port.  You can attatch a 2.5" hard drive to it without any other modification and configure it from workbench.  I believe you can use 2 devices with a 2-way cable with no other modification req`d.

IDE-splitters, (or "Buffered Interfaces") allow you to attatch up to 4 IDE devices, and require additional software (e.g. IDE-Fix 97 or EIDE 99 which normally come with the interface)  They come in various shapes, forms and prices, and allow you to attatch hard drives, CD-Roms and Writers, Compact Flash readers, etc.

Cheers
A1200 Power Tower, Blizzard 1260 66 +32MB, OS3.9, 2.5\\" HD, IDEfix97 + DVD-RW + Zip, SD/FF + 15\\" CRT, Ioblix1200P + scanner, PCMCIA LAN + router
 

Offline colinstu

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2006, 10:03:58 PM »
And here are maybe the last questions...

How do you install AmigaOS 3.9? (easy, hard, etc) Do you use the 3.1 ROM for that to work?

Any recommened CPU upgrade cards? Recommened CD-ROM drives/CD-RW/DVD/HDs.

Can you play MP3s or streaming video on 060s?

Also what up w/ those fast IDE things (snap on through ROM chips)?

And about Harddrives, does there have to be some special amiga drive? Or could I just use some old Maxtor 2GB drive I have?
 

Offline lurkist

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2006, 10:29:19 PM »
OS 3.9 requires a CD-Rom and 3.1 ROMs and is moderately difficult to install (it`s a whole chicken/egg thing, you need an OS with CD-Rom and driver already installed in order to read the CD in order to install it, you can`t just buy 3.9 and install it on an empty hard drive despite that very option in it`s installer!)
Frankly, OS3.1 can be made to do almost everything 3.9 does, and my 3.1 system is more stable than my 3.9 one.

Blizzard cards are generally regarded as the best, although I`ve also owned a couple of Magnum cards which were very good.  Beware of "overclocked" cards of any kind, life expectancy is generally reduced.

CD-Roms and hard drives are pretty much generic, I`ve never had one of either that didn`t work.  DVD drives require a certain filesystem (Allegro), and even then you will not be able to play movies whatever CPU you have.

I`ve played MP3s in high quality on an 040 40, but my 040 25 failed (don`t expect to do much multitasking though)  060s obviously handle them even better, with some minimal multitasking.  I`ve never had an 030, but they can come in 50MHz versions and someone else can tell you if that works.  There are hardware devices that allow you to play MP3s on even an A500!

Fast IDE? No idea.

As long as your old Maxtor is working, it will work in an Amiga (I use a Maxtor right now).  With OS3.1 and less hard drives should be kept to a size below 4GB (but bigger ones will work as long as you only format them with 4GB).

Good luck!
A1200 Power Tower, Blizzard 1260 66 +32MB, OS3.9, 2.5\\" HD, IDEfix97 + DVD-RW + Zip, SD/FF + 15\\" CRT, Ioblix1200P + scanner, PCMCIA LAN + router
 

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Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2006, 10:50:59 PM »
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In all honesty, a PPC card is just an expensive toy. Not that the hardware is a toy - they're very good, well-made boards - just that the amount of really good software available to use them probably barely reaches double figures. If you have money to burn then get one, other wise stick with the 060 - in normal daily usage an A1200/060 will feel a lot faster than an A1200 040/PPC.


ExecSG + Petunia JIT from OS4 beta, emulates OS3.9 faster than a 25MHz 040 runs it natively on a BPPC 200MHz.

I really would recommend waiting for OS4 BPPC rather than buying an 060.
 

Offline colinstu

Re: 060 or PPC
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2006, 11:57:53 PM »
I just looked on ebay, and found 1 blizzard card and it was ~$250! Is there cheaper way to buy this?

Who owns Amiga? Why doesn't anyone make these cards anymore? There lots of Amiga users, it looks like, and if compaines only made so many of something, thats it. Now ownly people who have them can sell them. These parts are slowly breaking, and soon there wont be anything left. Then we're going to be stuck w/ amigaOne. Why doesn't some company start reproducing amigas (maybe with mods builtin?)? That would be cool, get a brand new amiga (dont have to worry about battery, old/dieing parts, etc).