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Re: Boycott & computer products.
« Reply #89 from previous page: April 10, 2003, 06:54:26 AM »
@Smerf

I must admit I find your replies both amusing and confusing at the same time.

It seems (in replies to me anyway) to be continuous sprout of 'liberal liberal money rich moviestar liberal'

The one 'fact' you may have gleaned is that I do work in News -- this doesn't necesarily make me 'rich' (photojournalists don't work on that side of the camera). And 'liberal' seems to be a derogatory slur you use for 'people who don't agree with me' - I think I'm supposed to take offence at it.. but more on that later.

Whatever the 'liberal' government (correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the name of that party was the Democrats) did 8 years ago is no concern of mine -- I didn't live in America, and as such had no sway over their actions.

In your terminology that would make me a 'wetback' .
So any effect those statements are supposed to have are lost on me.. You may as well be calling me a 'Bandersnatch' for all the insultive value 'liberal' has (i.e. none)

Now that said and done - if can can work up from the son of coalminer in a land far far away,  through the military and educate myself through University, then move overseas and manage to live a successful life (without, I might add, any Government assistance - I don't come from the 3rd world), then any fault with your own life is from within yourself.
It probably has very little to do with what those 'darn liberals' did, or those 'rich liberals'  say or what 'that hoochie momma liberal President' did.

It has to do with yourself.

It's easy to point the finger and be angry at the world - but the simple fact remains that it's much easier to bitch than to actually strive..

As for Clinton -- who cares?  Why the 'Leader of the Free World' couldn't get him some decent looking tail is more cause for concern than where he put his cigar...

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Re: Boycott & computer products.
« Reply #90 on: April 10, 2003, 07:52:15 AM »
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You are happy you saw a few hundred people (many of them being USA troops and reporters) cheering on the fallen Saddam statue.

That would be your claim in regards to "many of them being USA troops and reporters) cheering on the fallen Saddam statue".

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Baghdad population is 5.6 million.

The real test, IF the people vote Saddam back in.

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It's a miracle what a little propaganda and a few dollars can do.

Anything specific?

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Those people don't have an option but cheer for USA soldiers.

Where does it say this?

At least the USA stopped their nuclear test in the Pacific, unlike France (i.e. Why didn't France detonate its nukes near it's own backyard (i.e. main-land France) instead of some else "backyard"(i.e. Pacific Ocean)?)    
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Re: Boycott & computer products.
« Reply #91 on: April 10, 2003, 09:48:37 AM »
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No, what concerns me, is people who had previously been somewhat reasonable people are now in a frenzy over the war. They don't believe in the consitution, they don't believe in due process...they are willing to let the government grab unprecedented levels of power, because they believe its 'necessary' for security.


Amen MarkTime.

I don't believe in these boycotts.  If a company makes something I need then I shall by it from that company...no matter where that company is located.

America tends to be a melting pot so what happens if your neighbor is has German, French, or Russian ancestory.  Do you boycott them too?

I think it is time to grow up.

Besides France and Germany are two countries (among  many) in Europe  that I wish to visit one day. :-D
 

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« Reply #92 on: April 10, 2003, 09:51:41 AM »
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Besides France and Germany are two countries (among many) in Europe that I wish to visit one day.


Ready when you are. Big house here. South-west Paris.

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« Reply #93 on: April 10, 2003, 10:09:08 AM »
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Ready when you are. Big house here. South-west Paris.


Groovy.  Thanks for the offer.  :-)

I suppose this thread got waaay off topic somewhere along the way and should probably be under general discussion/Talk-About..
 

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« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2003, 12:22:01 PM »
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by sTix on 2003/4/6 17:14:01

I can understand that people want to boycott COMPANYS, or PERSONS directly involved with certain things. But I can't understand why anyone would boycott a NATION, I mean people can't help where they are born can they?

I think this whole discussion is stupid and sometimes I even feel the smell of racism.


Well said.  A discussion with the content "my country is better than yours" or similar has no place in a forum like this.  Maybe the administrators would like to consider closing down the subject.
 

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« Reply #95 on: April 10, 2003, 03:01:45 PM »
Four british people in france on a sking holiday were asked if they supported the war everywhere they went, then when there minding there own buisness four french cowards stopped there car and got out and attacked them with baseball bats just because they were british ,it just goe,s to show what cowardly scum they are if it was not for us and america they would have been wiped out by hitler. :-)
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« Reply #96 on: April 10, 2003, 10:41:55 PM »
France, by using it's right to veto USA decision wasn't doing
some declaration of war but using it's freedom of speech.
We weren't against war, unlike everyone in USA wants to think,
but just wanting to leave more time to the UN to check for weapons
for the inspectors there asked for more time.

USA used it's veto 4 times more than France did, BTW. We never insult
our american friends each time their gvt did.

Please note that for a mad dictator that's got SO MUCH deadly
weapons (if I refer to our governments announcements), not a single one was fired.

Another thing, USA if by far a more interesting ally for France IRAK
ever was, whatever the point of view.

Note also that D.Rumsfeld ratified in 1983 the cooperation treaty bewteen IRAK and USA.
France wasn't alone as usual. Note also that France was at war
with IRAK during the first gulf war, and at cold since then.

As for the WWII comments, I have ancestors that fought to make USA alive, going with Lafayette troops to help raising this Great country.

Finally, forgive my bad english. all I wanted to say is that many
people shoots Europe all time round, but the fact is, we aren't the
enemy unlike everyone wants us to be.

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« Reply #97 on: April 10, 2003, 11:22:15 PM »
The war is no longer so much about the weapons but getting rid of an evil regime so these people can enjoy freedom.
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« Reply #98 on: April 10, 2003, 11:45:17 PM »
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France, by using it's right to veto USA decision


Except that France did NOT use its veto ;) There was no vote. Germany didn't veto. It has no veto, on top of having had no vote. Etc.

France probably would have vetoed, given an opportunity. But many additional nays and vetos would have come from all sides of the security council at that point, when the WMD case was not convincingly made (it still is not, I believe ?). Blaming only one party was a smart and intentional abuse of the French, to hide the extend of opposition. The move was happily picked up by many US/UK media. Now it's virtually accepted as fact. The problem with the media is that war is very good for ratings, especially "Iraq War Episode II: The Return". That clouds their coverage (and ultimately their credibility).

Talking about TV stations: I read a very funny story in a newspaper the other day (The Guardian): Some shop owner in the US actually believes that his country is currently at war with France, after watching cable TV. If you watch Fox, that's almost understandable ;)

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« Reply #99 on: April 10, 2003, 11:53:06 PM »
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Finally, forgive my bad english. all I wanted to say is that many people shoots Europe all time round,

Not all of Europe e.g. Spain, Poland, Italy, United Kingdom and ‘etc’.

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Note also that D.Rumsfeld ratified in 1983 the cooperation treaty bewteen IRAK and USA.

His mistake...

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and at cold since then.

Not with the trade deals between Iraq  and France sometime after the 1st gulf war.

According to Arabic News, France is within the top two trading partners with Iraq.  It even beats Iraq's third largest trade partner i.e. Egypt.

Reference;
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/010418/2001041828.html

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« Reply #100 on: April 11, 2003, 12:06:52 AM »
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Except that France did NOT use its veto ;) There was no vote. Germany didn't veto. It has no veto, on top of having had no vote. Etc.

Refer to France’s voting intentions...
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« Reply #101 on: April 11, 2003, 04:36:18 AM »
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amigamad wrote:
four french cowards stopped there car and got out and attacked them with baseball bats just because they were british


Hate crimes are cowardly displays of ignorance no matter where they occur.
Be it British tourists in France, an Egyptian shot in a 7-11 in Sept 2001, a black man chained and dragged behind a truck in Texas, or Muslim women pelted with garbage in the suburbs of Las Vegas.

None are acceptable - and we should all look towards our own backyards before casting stones.

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,it just goe,s to show what cowardly scum they are if it was not for us and america they would have been wiped out by hitler. :-)


And we can go back to History and find Frances part in helping shape America -- and if not for Spain the ships wouldn't have been sent - and if not for Italy Columbus wouldn't have sailed - and you can go back and extrapolate ad nausium on into the ludicrous:

If not for Odin Hitler could have won WWII!!!!!!
(Any norseman can trace his family line back to Odin, and the Russians were decendants of the Rus, Vikings, and if not for the mistakes fighting a war on two fronts, then Hitler could well have won...)

During that whole UN debarcle I had two close friends visiting France -- Americans -- and on returning the only thing they reported is that they had a wonderful time, made many great new friends, and would heartily recommend any and all to go visit.

This 'France is the Anti-Christ' bullsh*t is getting really old.

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Re: Boycott & computer products.
« Reply #102 on: April 11, 2003, 05:21:21 AM »
Hi Siggy,

You know for a wetback, liberal, and bandersnatch, you are alright. Enjoyed the argument, enjoy the boards.

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« Reply #103 on: April 11, 2003, 05:51:20 AM »
Hi ottomobiehl,

Whew couldn't you have picked some name like dude or something short and easy to spell.

Anyhow seeing that you are from Montana (I love that state, fresh air and nice scenery) I was just wondering how you could possibly stick up for the french and germans, I  have been to both those countries and have found the french to be arrogant towards Americans and seem to snub and ignore them and this was way before all this other stuff broke out. The germans are really snobbish and gave me the impression that they thought Americans where really stupid. Now sometimes with my attitude I thought it just might be me, but I have heard from hundreds of other Americans they thought the same thing of france and germany. Now according to todays news the french jerkoff guy says he was only doing that to make America think before they acted. What a loser!!! Now he wants to take part in the rebuilding of Iraq. france, germany and russia are now having a meeting to discuss how they can assist in the negotiation with America on the rebuilding of Iraq and what part should the UN play in this rebuilding.  How about 0, zero, we didn't need your help in the fight and we certianly don't need there help in the rebuild. Yes America is a melting pot and I saw French American, Russian American, and German American all fighting over there. I did not see any french, russian, or german military over there. This episode of our allies snubbing us during this time really has me jacked. I still say boycott their products. The last thing I bought was a delicious jelly made in germany that I really like, very flavorful but this was before they stabbed us in the back. Will I buy it again, certianlly not. Will I buy my wife any of that great french perfume?  not any more. Don't know what I can boycott from russia does anybody know what russia makes that I can quit buying, I really can't think of anything except tanks and nukes so that make it easy I won't buy any tanks or nukes from russia.

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« Reply #104 on: April 11, 2003, 09:13:52 AM »
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does anybody know what russia makes


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