amiga.org's image is slowly changing again...

[carls]

Wayne wrote:

amiga.org still doesn't validate

...and it never will, thanks to the lax programming of the Xoops team and their desire to go XML and abandon HTML.

There's nothing XML with the generated HTML code (it's SGML-HTML, not XHTML) - it just seems like the Xoops team is plain lazy :-)

I work as a professional web developer, and although it's good that a site validates it's not always necessary (IMHO). Most of the time you'll have to work from the design and get the site to look good and function on the following browsers; Mac: IE5+, NS6+, PC: IE5+, NS6+, preferably Opera, Linux: Mozilla, preferably also Opera and Konqueror.

To this it should be added that the MSIE team for the Mac and Win32 versions are two different teams developing two different browser cores. This makes for a lot of interesting bugs in the Mac versions.

Fact is, that Mozilla (Gekko) is the most standards-compliant browser so far. Try running that on a PII 333MHz :-)

Then there's the specialized sites like amiga.org. They should work on all of the above, the three Amiga browsers and preferably some other ones too (like that new one for MacOSX, whatchacallit... oh yeah, Safari!)

Point being? Well, as long as the sites work on all of the above, I wouldn't really care if it validates or not.  :-D

[iamaboringperson]

you know what i do like about the new look? its a bit more 'mature looking'!

sort of more sensible :-)

@carls,

Care to take a look at the code of Xoops 1.3.x and our theme and do your best at making it compliant?  I've been trying for weeks, and it appears as though it'll take the hand removal of almost 2000 seperate calls as well as rewriting the header function.  Not something I normally have a lot of time with really.

Wayne

[carls]

@Wayne

Here's an example of something invalid (in the tag):
leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" etc.

Although not allowed, most browsers can handle this and I suppose it's needed to make the top logo look good. This should really be done with CSS, but no Amiga browser supports CSS and it would make the page look like crap on these browsers.

Like I said before, IMHO it's a useless task trying to make a site like this compliant as long as it works as intended in the target browsers.

After adding a doctype declaration to the top of an amiga.org HTML file the W3C validator gives me over 70 errors.

Yes, the code could be made XHTML1.0 or HTML4.01 compliant, but then it wouldn't look very good in Amiga browsers and it would probably take a week or so of hard work.

I'm sorry, but I have to refuse your offer

[iamaboringperson]

is it just me - or has the title at the top of the page just changed again?

@iama

Changed from, or to what?  I'm afraid I haven't changed anything about the header.  I did "activate" the private messages so that if you have a new message waiting, that line is a different color, but that's as close to the top as I've gotten lately.

Wayne