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It's dead Jim (4000D)
« on: May 25, 2005, 01:47:21 AM »
My 4000D was working fine until I tried plugging a cd rom drive on the IDE cable. When I powered it up I had no workbench screen. So I unplugged the drive and got same thing. I then unplugged the harddrive but no Rom screen.
I tried different Roms, a different power supply and also tried swapping out the small IC chip thats behind the Rom chips, plus tried a different cpu board. What else can I check? :-o
 

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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2005, 02:06:53 AM »
Could be a lot of things.  I always suspect the floppy drive cable first 'cause it's real easy to not plug it in right or accidentally partially unplug it and it won't boot.  I had a hell of a time getting a cdrom installed recently given the tight spaces in the 4000D.  It's real easy to unplug something accidentally or switch the cable around the wrong way.  I suspect this is probably your problem.  Try different combinations of the power connectors, maybe there's a break in one of the old wires. Also, make sure the power supply m/b connector is not grounding to the case beneath (leads are long and can penetrate the thin plastic beneath.  There could also be corrosion somewhere (e.g. my buster socket was crappy and caused either no booting or dead Zorro slots).  When you power it on, if you get a faint grey screen that's a good sign that she's not dead.  Think like Mr. Spock and you should be okay, don't panic.
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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2005, 02:48:25 AM »
Also check and make sure you didn't knock one of the memory simms loose.  Those factory sockets are terrible.

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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2005, 11:25:22 AM »
Thanks for all the suggestion Argus & Jeff! Now the motherboard is out of the case and setting on my work bench with no cables or daughter board, still no go. I also tried different memory sticks. I thinking that I might of plugged the IDE cable in backward since it isn't keyed, if that was the case which chip would I replace? Any an all suggestion are welcome. :-o
 ps. when I power up I get a gray screen, if I do a reset with the keyboard the screen goes red to gray to red to gray etc.
 

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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2005, 11:32:47 AM »
IIRC red indicates a problem with the rom / kickstart. Tho I don't remember it would alternate between red and grey..

Try reseating all socketed chips, might help.
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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2005, 11:36:30 AM »
You might want to read this:
http://www.nyx.net/~rdavis/AmigaHints2.html

1-2 pages down it describes the boot colors on the amiga...
To me it looks like a bad CIA chip...maybe?
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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2005, 11:40:56 AM »
Thanks Mr. D of the Faith, but with the new 3.1 Roms I order from software Hut I get a gray screen with a reset.
 

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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2005, 11:46:20 AM »
Thanks dawiper! I might try replacing the CIA chips.
 

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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2005, 11:58:38 AM »
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Now the motherboard is out of the case and setting on my work bench with no cables or daughter board, still no go.


Try bench testing with the daughterboard installed.  I'm pretty sure it will not boot w/o the daughterboard in.

Regarding the rom sockets, try cleaning them with contact cleaner.  Mine were dirty before and caused intermittent booting.
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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2005, 12:00:29 PM »
I'm pretty sure it will not boot w/o the daughterboard in.

You sure ? I seem to remember my A4000 did.. Well before it died tho..
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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2005, 12:21:22 PM »
Try a new power supply as the IDE CDROM may have just over loaded it and caused it to fail.
 

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Re: It's dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2005, 12:41:57 PM »
@Ronmor:

I have a faint memory of the A4000 motherboard needing to be screwed into its case as it connects some of its groundplanes via the case metal.


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Re: It's dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2005, 01:32:27 PM »
Not that it is of any help, but I have previously powered up a A4000 motherboard withput it being installed in its case and without the daughterboard.

Only 030 board and 2 MB chip installed and the computer booted. Could be I was just lucky though.
 

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Re: It' dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2005, 02:37:25 PM »
I assune you have an 040.  I think you need to have the cpu card seated prperly, even if it is just alittle unseated your machine wont boot: it happened to me
 

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Re: It's dead Jim (4000D)
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2005, 02:39:14 PM »
I have experienced the same thing as doctorq in regards to being able to power up A4000 motherboards so far, without them being installed in the original, or any computer case for that matter. It seems that having to have the board grounded with the case in order to for it to work is an old wives' tale, after all. :-)