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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #74 from previous page: March 07, 2003, 07:04:25 AM »
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Thanks bud!

You're welcome friend :-D

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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #75 on: March 07, 2003, 07:14:22 AM »
Hello dweebgeek,

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Thanks everyone, A1 it is!


I'm glad you were able to make a decission in this hectic thread! :-D
As I said before: the wait for OS4 will be worthwhile! :-)
(I have good faith in Hyperion for this!)

In weanwhile: why don't  you start collecting PPC software for your new system?! :-D
(Aminet, dealers, etc.)

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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #76 on: March 07, 2003, 07:15:04 AM »
@Mr.Akey and Mr.Frieden

Could you comment about my earlier post in this thread, point by point? In mature and constructive way, like I did. No need to start flaming and calling me a troller. I am interested how you look at this, being on "the other side".
Was hoping some response but seems like im being ignored  :-)

I have thought a lot about the situation past few months and I'd like to be proven wrong.
 

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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #77 on: March 07, 2003, 07:44:37 AM »
@JoannaK

"Sounds like you are trying to give impression you are only one around knowing *The Truth* and thus other peoples opinions have no value"

So basically you agree, Lando was giving opinions
and calling them facts.
Hate figure. :lol:
 

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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #78 on: March 07, 2003, 08:04:20 AM »
@AmiGR
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In Gerald's case it IS expertise. He managed to:
1) Design dual CPU cards that include SCSI on
an extremely small board with 11 layers.

Dual implies SMP. No one doubts that he achieved
the job at hand on an accelerator card.

Experience != expertise

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2) He managed to design the Pegasos, prove to
MAI that there are bugs they didn't even know about
and fix them, under MAI's name (the fix Eyetech used)

So? I think you need to look up the definition of expert.

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3) He is known to IBM's production managers by name.

ROFLMAO!!!!! So am I bud, so am I.  Which production managers, now come on give me their names and Ill call them up and ask them. Ill also tell you what percentage of the IBM's "production managers" that
is with stats to back me up.

So what if he is known to some IBM production managers - I mean excuse me while I fall down on the floor and beg for forgiveness. Well I would, but
I've got to stop laughing first.

Hate figure. :lol:
 

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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #79 on: March 07, 2003, 09:17:06 AM »
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So? I think you need to look up the definition of expert.


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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #80 on: March 07, 2003, 10:33:36 AM »
Buy one with a FRIGGIN OS!!!

(in other words NOT the A1. I suggest a Mac)
 

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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #81 on: March 07, 2003, 10:43:57 AM »
> Buy one with a FRIGGIN OS!!!
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> (in other words NOT the A1. I suggest a Mac)

*The AmigaOne HAS a "friggin OS". It currently runs LinuxPPC, as well as MacOS (through MOL).
*The AmigaOne WILL get AmigaOS.
*By buying now, he will get AmigaOS4 for free when it comes out. If he waits until OS4 is finsihed, he will have to pay extra for it.

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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #82 on: March 07, 2003, 10:44:56 AM »
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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #83 on: March 07, 2003, 10:51:11 AM »
@Hooligan_DCS

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Hooligan_DCS wrote:
@Mr.Akey and Mr.Frieden

Could you comment about my earlier post in this thread, point by point? In mature and constructive way, like I did. No need to start flaming and calling me a troller.


Well, I can try.  However, you must understand that there are some issues that I can't address and I certainly won't speak for or against our competition's product as I don't have any of their products for which to base a comparison.   Now if they'd care to send me one..  (hey, I had to try didn't I?   ;-))

Anyways, I'll answer what I quote:

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I'd put it this way. AmigaOne without OS4 is practically useless.


I wouldn't quite put it this way.  While it is currently useless as an amiga (being without the AmigaOS until the OS is released to run on it) it does presently run Linux. :-)

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And judging by late silence from Amiga


We (Amiga) are quite busy but we, as you know, are not working directly on AmigaOS 4 nor are we the manufacturer of the AmigaOne.  These are partner projects and we have a clause w.r.t to ownsership of AmigaOS 4.

Amiga's internal developers are working on the APIs that will embrace and extend the future of AmigaOS (but not the forthcoming AmigaOS 4.0) as well as working on AmigaDE/Anywhere content.

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Hyperion folks can't even give an estimate when it will be ready, it doesn't look too good.


I think we've pretty much agreed that giving dates that might be overshot or missed deadlines is a bad thing given the slagging that we take for it, when unforseen delays occur..  Fear not, the silence is a good thing. It means that those developers are working their behinds off instead of fielding rumors and speculations about their efforts and activities.

I can't and won't speak for Hyperion and/or Eyetech so, you'll have to wait for one of their people to answer questions related to the status and timing of their products.

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Meanwhile there are hundreds of Pegasos' floating around used by developers. And some of them I'd call "Keypeople of community". Those developers won't necessarily never do any good for A1/OS4.


I don't think you really have anything to worry about here.  The developers who really want to make a difference, who see opportunity wherever it knocks, will either come back to developer for AmigaOS or may even develop for both operating systems.

My opinion, having developed software for many platforms; including AmigaOS, QNX RtP, Linux, FreeBSD, Windows and others long past) is this: Only the developers who have a vendetta/hate against one company or the other, or are indifferent to an API,  will refuse to develop for the other OS.

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Also, while waiting for OS4 to arrive, MOS gets better and more polished every day.
OS4 looks good on paper, MOS looks good now.
AmigaOne doesn't look good on paper, Pegasos2 does.


Paper specs, while possibly impressive, really mean nothing until the product is released.  As you may have noticed lately, there are issues with hardware that can spring up and effect a change of plans.

It's your choice to buy whatever product you feel suits your needs best but I'd wait until both are available if you're really uncertain about one or the other.  The final result(s) might surprise you, one way or the other.

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And those two items are likely to arrive just about the same time (3rd quarter 2003 as I quessed
WHEN Peg2 and A1/OS4 arrives, there's (hopefully) quite nice set of software available for MOS, when developing for A1 only *begins*.


True, but the AmigaOne has the dinstinction of being a product based directly on the original AmigaOS with a newly rewritten ExecSG.  Amiga has legacy and for what it's worth (as others call it) "the name" on its side.   I can't speak for the efforts or motives of other companies.

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Looking at the situation from this point of view, it's obvious who leaves the ring undefeated.


That depends on a huge number of yet unpredictable factors.  There are many things, both visible and invisible that could shape this. If you're unsure of either side, sit on the fence until both are released and the dust settles.

Of course, you may also be in a position to buy both systems, as some others have said they would do.  Though, my experience is that once you have chosen, unless you really dislike something about your first choice, odds are you won't buy the other system.

Right now, it might be too much of a gamble for some individuals to choose yet.  If you aren't sure .. wait.  Amiga's product WILL be delivered.  And I mean ALL of the ones still promised -- yes, including the t-shirts (sorry Hooligan, had to appease the trolls :-))

Or you can buy an AmigaOne now and get your free OS (as Kay said) when it is released. :-)

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My point of view only, fuel up the flamethrowers.


No need. You asked for information without being particularly inflammatory -- a class act.
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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #84 on: March 07, 2003, 11:13:07 AM »
@Hmetal
Why should I (and about 800 others) pay extra copy of OS4 now alongside AmigaOne.  AmigaInc still owes us free copies of it.  Most likely I'll get one of those A1200+Blizzards people are soon selling while being busy upgrading to Pegasos-2.s  :-)  
 

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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #85 on: March 07, 2003, 11:27:19 AM »
Honest, I want both.

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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #86 on: March 07, 2003, 11:30:52 AM »
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downix wrote:

And take that as a compliment, I like VMS.


Saying "it reminds me of VMS" is something different than what I read into it. Saying "being based on OpenVMS" smells of theft, and like I said, ExecSG is a completely new kernel.
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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #87 on: March 07, 2003, 11:38:25 AM »
First of all, thanks to Hmetal for a (quick) answer. I'm well aware that not everything can be said (doesn't necessarily have even answers!).
When I said it's "useless" I meant in Amiga-wise.. surely you understood. This an Amiga related site and most of the people are ONLY interest in the Amiga-part of A1, not Linux.

What we can all agree on, is that the forthcoming few months will be very interesting indeed. I myself, have already ordered $299 Pegasos, but have no objection in buying A1/OS4 _IF_ it's what have been promised.
You never know, I still don't have my Pegasos. When I get it, and use it a couple of months I may find unusable and sell it on ebay to get AmigaOne.
Or I may ditch this Windows-pc for good and have Pegasos and A1 here at use. I have spent so much money in hometheatre that a couple computers equals to flyshit in desert :-)
 

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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #88 on: March 07, 2003, 11:42:09 AM »
@HMetal
 
A non-flammable answer to a non-flammable question. Very good.
 
I think it should be put out as a general policy of both
sides never to comment (and if commenting, always do
so as carefully courteusly as possible), about someone
elses product. Sounds more professional, and lessens the flames.
 
 An interesting quote:
 
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Amiga's internal developers are working on the APIs that will embrace and extend the future of AmigaOS (but not the forthcoming AmigaOS 4.0) as well as working on AmigaDE/Anywhere content.

 
This is interesting, and something almost completely
unsung, at least from the view of the general public.
I take it the "not for AOS4" refers to AOS5? I know
absolutely nothing about the "internal developers" of AInc.
How many are there? Are there any "famous" names
among them? AInc is like a closed shell to me in this
regard (which is OK, I suppose, only that it's so much
more difficult to grasp - I still have the "Internal
developers" of Amiga+Gateway making "good progress" in
terrifyingly clear memory. It's only with "official"
developers like the Frieden Brothers, that you can actually
get an idea of work being done. With shadowy and
nameless "internal developers", all is just a black box.)
 
Perhaps it would be a nice idea to have this progress
show somewhere - if for no other reason than to
show that AInc is not completely under the ice? (Note
that I have no access to CAM, nor developer support
network, and so might simply be off on this - but at any
rate, lifesigns are never a bad idea.)
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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #89 on: March 07, 2003, 11:45:30 AM »
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Hooligan_DCS wrote:
@Mr.Akey and Mr.Frieden

Could you comment about my earlier post in this thread, point by point? In mature and constructive way, like I did.


So?

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My point of view only, fuel up the flamethrowers.


Still insisting on your constructiveness?

Other than that, I think Ray's posting sums it up quite nicely.
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