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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #104 from previous page: March 22, 2005, 07:41:14 AM »
@ Wayne


Have you used Amiga OS 4.0 yet? You will like it.

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #105 on: March 22, 2005, 08:24:10 AM »
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I joined this forum because I thought it was pro Amiga. I
realize now I was wrong. :-(

It's fairly simple, really. Amiga.org is for the realists, those who understand that the Amiga was a fun little computer in the past, or those who simply like the simple programming model so they can test out ideas before moving them to more complex environments. They resent the situation which is currently gripping the platform (much like that poor vegetating Terry Schiavo): the computer is braindead, alive but severely crippled, and its fate is decided by people who seem to care more about egos and their own selfish gain than the patient, in endless battles and debates which go nowhere. MorphOS is favoured by many around here because they feel it is here, and not just in slowly progressing beta and locked down to now rapidly aging hardware. Quite often they will voice support for either platform, that the programmers despite gruelling circumstances did a really good job, but keep in the back of their mind that the platform is so far away from other mainstream platforms it is just a hobby project at this time.

Amigaworld.net is for the fanatics, those who believe in a miracle resuscitation of the platform, and hang on tight to every morsel of positive information (someone mentioning the word Amiga, a small video, a little demo, the Frieden brothers speaking) about the Amiga to foster their belief in the second, third, fourth, n-th coming. They consider Amizilla and OpenOffice 2 viable projects which will surely see the light of day---you recognise these people by the posts they sometimes make on the Amizilla mailing list: 'Status report? Status report? Are you done yet? I wanna help despite having very little coding experience!', or by their cheerful, and unbelievably naive optimism that another program has been 'announced' for the platform. Economics are usually not their strong point.

Then there's ann.lu, which is just a cesspit of flames, fanboys, conceited egos and 'mine is bigger than yours'-arguments. Terrific to start rumours on, that you heard from a friend of a friend who has insider information that ... At least, it was that a few years ago, things might have changed though. (As in: administration with a big magnet.)

Then there's a few other forums, dedicated to AROS and MorphOS, for example. But their alignment is obvious from the website itself, so I won't bother to describe those.


Thus endeth the lesson. Chooseth now, for the right forum will bestow life upon thee, while the wrong forum will taketh it away from thee.
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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #106 on: March 22, 2005, 10:53:06 AM »
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It's fairly simple, really. Amiga.org is for the realists

No it is for the pessimistic ex amigans. The people that are hurting Amiga.

 

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2005, 11:01:44 AM »
@ikir:

Thank you very much for proving my point. To be honest, I was more or less counting on a reply from you when I wrote the above.
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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #108 on: March 22, 2005, 11:10:58 AM »
So you already know you wrote a joke.

Bah'.....

BTW... have you read the Follow Up?
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2167
 

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #109 on: March 22, 2005, 11:32:41 AM »
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It's fairly simple, really. Amiga.org is for the realists

No it is for the pessimistic ex amigans. The people that are hurting Amiga.


If that's the case, what are you doing here?  Just an observation.

Given Amiga's history for the last 10+ years, I think a realist has every right to be pessimistic.

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BTW... have you read the Follow Up?
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2167


Interesting read.  Though if one reads the original transcript, I'm surprised how they could come up with the conclusion that OS4 has been canned.

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Other than this note, I won't be on public boards.


Wise move.  Businesses getting dragged into flame wars is never a good plan.
 

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #110 on: March 22, 2005, 11:37:02 AM »
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If that's the case, what are you doing here? Just an observation.

Posting news, informations, replying to who write *****.

BTW i submitted the news about the Eyetech interview and the followup from Garry Hare.
 

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #111 on: March 22, 2005, 11:39:29 AM »
BTW i submitted the news about the Eyetech interview and the followup from Garry Hare.

I was firts !! I submitted it firtst !! Really !!..

ERm.. What Eyetech interview.. /me reloading aw..
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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #112 on: March 22, 2005, 11:40:38 AM »
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If that's the case, what are you doing here? Just an observation.

Posting news, informations, replying to who write *****.

BTW i submitted the news about the Eyetech interview and the followup from Garry Hare.


Surely if we're all "pessimistic ex-amigans" here, we're lost causes?

I don't (know how to, and so don't try in case I screw things up) approve news articles.
 

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #113 on: March 22, 2005, 11:41:57 AM »
Interesting read. Though if one reads the original transcript, I'm surprised how they could come up with the conclusion that OS4 has been canned.

Pft.. The same way as everybody read Red's comment and jumped up and down screaming.. about nothing really.. Did you know lots of people read but can't read ?

Sure, I see what Rogue is saying, and the other thread Red made was far to much, the thread on AW should have been cut off way before it got to were it is now.

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #114 on: March 22, 2005, 12:11:52 PM »
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No it is for the pessimistic ex amigans. The people that are hurting Amiga.

Why do you think being pessimistic is wrong? If users have bad vibes towards Amiga (Inc.) or Genesi and think they have found something interesting why not express them? This is a discussion forum after all.

As much as I hate reading bad news about Genesi it is just only a life. If it hurts MorphOS so be it. If MorphOS dies because of it so be it. Bad luck, life sucks and everyone cant win.
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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #115 on: March 22, 2005, 12:14:19 PM »
"You kids shouldn't play so rough. Somebody's gonna start cryin'."
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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #116 on: March 22, 2005, 12:23:47 PM »
"pessimistic" is not the same thing as "realistic".
 

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #117 on: March 22, 2005, 12:39:06 PM »
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"You kids shouldn't play so rough. Somebody's gonna start cryin'."


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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #118 on: March 22, 2005, 12:58:39 PM »
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"pessimistic" is not the same thing as "realistic".

Neither is "deluded", but don't let that stop you.
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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #119 on: March 22, 2005, 01:21:13 PM »
@pyro

Quite honestly stated, I couldn't afford to buy one, even if I had any interest in doing so.  I'm much more interested in buying a digital SLR camera than having yet another reason to sit behind this desk for more hours at a time.

I did try MorphOS when I had the chance, and I'm sure AmigaOS is pretty much identical in most respects.  What I found though is that it didn't have any software that *I* would need to use.  I suspect neither does, since the only software available for them is either simple commodities or stuff released before 1994.

That isn't a reflection on the Amiga or the Pegasos though.  I am finding that I'm at an age where I am less and less interested in computers at all, so spending approximately $1200 to assemble an AmigaOne just to say I have one and use up more space in my closet simply doesn't appeal to me.  

That's sad for me to have to admit, because where I wouldn't spend the exhorbitant amounts of money to buy an AmigaOne (or Pegasos) system, I might be tempted to spend $499 on a Mac Mini just to learn OSX.  

To me, it's less about the hardware and OS, and more about the available software base and how I could actually get some use from it.  Sadly, the Amiga desktop platform simply (IMHO) has no useable software base and no real development base.  As it sits, I personally simply cannot see any way to establish any real software base either.

The AmigaOne/OS4 will sell to interested Amiga users.  I'm absolutely sure of that.  The problem becomes, how do you sell an overpriced, outdated, underpowered system with no real, usable software to more than that dwindling crowd of 2000 or so fiercely dedicated people?

Let me state, as clearly as I possibly can that I hope I'm wrong.  I really, really, really do.  I just can't see the Amiga PPC desktop platform as being viable.  I couldn't see it in 2001 (and was thrown off the ACCM for strongly expressing my opinions and doubts), I can't see it now (though admittedly the platform hasn't moved at all since 2001, so that's to be expected).  You can only "play dead" for so long before people start pronouncing you officially dead.

That doesn't mean that I wish the platform harm in any way.  I don't.  It's simply that no one to this day has demonstrated to me a clear and honest vision of how the Amiga PPC desktop is supposed to thrive and survive when there are better supported and cheaper platforms out there.  "Who am I that I need or even deserve such demonstrations" you ask?  No one really, simply someone who -- once upon a time -- would have been a customer.

Wayne