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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #119 from previous page: March 22, 2005, 01:21:13 PM »
@pyro

Quite honestly stated, I couldn't afford to buy one, even if I had any interest in doing so.  I'm much more interested in buying a digital SLR camera than having yet another reason to sit behind this desk for more hours at a time.

I did try MorphOS when I had the chance, and I'm sure AmigaOS is pretty much identical in most respects.  What I found though is that it didn't have any software that *I* would need to use.  I suspect neither does, since the only software available for them is either simple commodities or stuff released before 1994.

That isn't a reflection on the Amiga or the Pegasos though.  I am finding that I'm at an age where I am less and less interested in computers at all, so spending approximately $1200 to assemble an AmigaOne just to say I have one and use up more space in my closet simply doesn't appeal to me.  

That's sad for me to have to admit, because where I wouldn't spend the exhorbitant amounts of money to buy an AmigaOne (or Pegasos) system, I might be tempted to spend $499 on a Mac Mini just to learn OSX.  

To me, it's less about the hardware and OS, and more about the available software base and how I could actually get some use from it.  Sadly, the Amiga desktop platform simply (IMHO) has no useable software base and no real development base.  As it sits, I personally simply cannot see any way to establish any real software base either.

The AmigaOne/OS4 will sell to interested Amiga users.  I'm absolutely sure of that.  The problem becomes, how do you sell an overpriced, outdated, underpowered system with no real, usable software to more than that dwindling crowd of 2000 or so fiercely dedicated people?

Let me state, as clearly as I possibly can that I hope I'm wrong.  I really, really, really do.  I just can't see the Amiga PPC desktop platform as being viable.  I couldn't see it in 2001 (and was thrown off the ACCM for strongly expressing my opinions and doubts), I can't see it now (though admittedly the platform hasn't moved at all since 2001, so that's to be expected).  You can only "play dead" for so long before people start pronouncing you officially dead.

That doesn't mean that I wish the platform harm in any way.  I don't.  It's simply that no one to this day has demonstrated to me a clear and honest vision of how the Amiga PPC desktop is supposed to thrive and survive when there are better supported and cheaper platforms out there.  "Who am I that I need or even deserve such demonstrations" you ask?  No one really, simply someone who -- once upon a time -- would have been a customer.

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #120 on: March 22, 2005, 04:45:49 PM »
by Wayne on 2005/3/21 13:36:27

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Ok, so maybe it wasn't quite THAT bad, but it was surely full of vague doubletalk. Very Dubya in my opinion, but yes, off-topic the Bush family is making money (they're oil people remember?)


So is the Gore family with Occidental Petroleum Corporation.

 :whack:

Now back to our regularly scheduled Amiga Inc Flame Fest.

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #121 on: March 22, 2005, 04:49:43 PM »
by ikir on 2005/3/22 5:53:06

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No it is for the pessimistic ex amigans. The people that are hurting Amiga.


If that is the case, guess your just another "pessimistic ex amigan" sinc your here posting?

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #122 on: March 22, 2005, 05:47:44 PM »
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by Wayne on 2005/3/21 13:36:27

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Ok, so maybe it wasn't quite THAT bad, but it was surely full of vague doubletalk. Very Dubya in my opinion, but yes, off-topic the Bush family is making money (they're oil people remember?)


So is the Gore family with Occidental Petroleum Corporation.

 :whack:

Now back to our regularly scheduled Amiga Inc Flame Fest.

Dammy


Which proves my point about American politics in another thread. "Same sh!t, different colour".
 

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #123 on: March 22, 2005, 06:10:47 PM »
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"Same sh!t, different colour".


Might be true for european politics, but with american politics "same sh!t, different shades of brown" would be more accurate  :-o
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3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #124 on: March 22, 2005, 06:12:07 PM »
Tsk tsk, and i thought the war was over.........

Why is there a war any longer anyway?
Nobody that is tired of shouting at eachother?
We ALL have the same roots ffs!

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #125 on: March 22, 2005, 06:18:12 PM »
I know it's difficult, but let's stay on topic please?

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #126 on: March 22, 2005, 06:31:20 PM »
I just read the follow up from Garry, and it cleared up quite a bit of the worries i had atleast..

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=45882
 

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #127 on: March 22, 2005, 06:31:27 PM »
This one time, at band camp... :-P

Seriously, though, if KMOS are truly serious with their intentions, and are going to make an embedded OS of AmigaOS, then at least something will happen with it. To be honest, I find that to be a better idea than trying to recreate a dying hobbyist platform.

The future of computing is within low-power embedded devices, handhelds, set-top boxes, phones, and advanced terminal clients. All those devices are going to need a small OS to run them, and the lack of development of AmigaOS make it a prime candidate for developing such OS's.

IF KMOS are serious, that is...
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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #128 on: March 22, 2005, 06:35:03 PM »
I read the follow up, and while I thank him for taking the time, it didn't really fill in any blanks where I'm concerned.  Just sounded like more of the same we've heard for the last 5 years.  

I'm afraid that after 5 years of the SOS, only a full and complete disclosure (without doublespeak) would ever suffice to instill any sort of trust or belief that the future was anything but dead-ended.  Anything short of that is just the SOS we've all heard before.
 

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #129 on: March 22, 2005, 06:55:52 PM »
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new/old Amiga Inc. Everything about the Amiga scene - including AROS - seems frozen in time. Nothing has changed, nothing's moved on or evolved at all. You could cut and paste any old thread from the past four years into a thread on the same subject today and it would still make perfect sense. It would be virtually impossible to tell the comments were years apart.
Yeah, that's why I don't bother posting on these types of threads any more...

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #130 on: March 22, 2005, 07:05:47 PM »
@Wayne,

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That doesn't mean that I wish the platform harm in any way. I don't. It's simply that no one to this day has demonstrated to me a clear and honest vision of how the Amiga PPC desktop is supposed to thrive and survive when there are better supported and cheaper platforms out there.
There is one chance, and it's a long shot...  I heard rumors that MS is interested in re-releasing their OS on a PPC chip. If true (which I doubt, but anything is possible) it could totally change the PPC market and finally allow AmigaOS to run on semi-mainstram hardware for once.

Anyway, I pretty much agree with everything you've said, except that I'm just not that bitter about the whole thing. :-) I can see a PPC based OS4 making some profits in the hobbyist market, but it will depend greatly on the marketing behind it. The name Amiga can still stir up some great nostalgia, and most ex-Amigans probably have no clue about the current in-fighting or even of OS4's existance. Some clever marketing could exploit the brand name, but of course, the technology needs to be there as well...

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #131 on: March 22, 2005, 07:37:14 PM »
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I heard rumors that MS is interested in re-releasing their OS on a PPC chip. If true (which I doubt, but anything is possible) it could totally change the PPC market and finally allow AmigaOS to run on semi-mainstram hardware for once.


Speak to Holley.  He's seen Windows XP running natively on a Mac.
 

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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2005, 08:56:55 PM »
@ Waccoon


"Yes, but how many "in-house" products have Amiga Inc. released in the last six years? A cheezy game pack? That doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Also, I'm still confused about what is meant by in-house. Here's something from the IRC chat (quoted by Elwood)"


Well there you go, you just partly answerd your own questions there. AI have already released game packs weather you think they are cheesy is irrelevent. I haven't seen any OS4 released yet, at least they have released something. It shows to me that the company is busy. If you have no confidense in the company, what are you doing hanging around. Go elsewhere that does inspire confidense or stop shouting about nothing, which is what you are doing because we don't have a product yet.

As for In House, it's Gary's company, he can do whtever he likes and he made the comment In House because, well guess why? It's because he's not going to tell you anything else appart from that. So speculate or quote as much as you like, it's only speculation unless Gary wants to tell you more, which I'm almost certain, he does not.


"SHADES: To be quite blunt, he shouldn't have to, and I bet that Hyperion won't tell you either.

Yes, they both should -- if they expect people to acutally buy their products.

A company is nothing without its reputation."


That's just silly, no company in their right mind would disclose all their future plans. ATI wont do it for Nvidia
AMD won't do it for Intel, Transmetta won't do it for anyone lol, Sony perhaps??, not likely.
History shows that your type of thinking where companies share all thier future plans is company suicide.
It won't happen so dont even go there, if your not happy about that, well it's just too bad.
Gary is in this for the long term and he want's to make some money. He's not going to tell you. Call the wambulance.

I agree everyone is biting their nails, it's been a long and tiresome history for this platform.........but he's still not going to tell you :-) and neither would I if I was in his position  :-D
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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #133 on: March 22, 2005, 09:07:34 PM »
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There is one chance, and it's a long shot...  I heard rumors that MS is interested in re-releasing their OS on a PPC chip. If true (which I doubt, but anything is possible) it could totally change the PPC market and finally allow AmigaOS to run on semi-mainstram hardware for once.


So? That semi-mainstream hardware would still have to be sold by a "special" licensed vendor outside that semi-mainstream, if you want to run AmigaOS on it.

And there is semi-mainstream PPC consumer hardware today. Macs. Though that doesn't help us. Not because it can't help us, but because it's not ALLOWED to help us, and then I'm not talking about Apple but the compan(y|ies) that supposedly would have an interest in improving AmigaOS sales and market size.

And now -- depending on what the hell Hare really meant -- on top of the already sh|tty but reversible situation, it seems like Eyetech(!) are to be involved in the decisions about on which hardware AmigaOS4+ is to run on and who's to be granted a licence to sell us other people's hardware!

In other words, AmigaOS would not only have been fscked-up like I thought, but Fscked-Up Beyond Repair.

Other than amusing a thousand or so people who are prepared to buy insanely overpriced and underperforming new hardware from a company like Eyetech, the AmigaOS project has been rendered pointless. It's not a rebirth or even life support for AmigaOS. It's possibly a slight deceleration of the fall.

Regarding "in-house development" of "an Internet OS" or whatever, I'll believe it when I see it, and right now there is no reason whatsoever to believe that anyone will ever see it. That's unless you count "bbbbut AInc said so!" as a reason...
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Re: Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd part AmigaOS after OS4.0.
« Reply #134 on: March 22, 2005, 09:13:05 PM »
@Cymric
That's a very downing speech you gave there.
I wonder if that's how oppressed people during wars felt.
Some of those wars went on for years and 10s of years with no end in site.
The only thing people had left was hope and the belief that it would end to give a brighter future.
I think it's the same in everything you do in life. To give up  on something you believe in is to give up on living.
To me life is all about overcoming obsticals and striving for a better future. Families escaped Russia through China in the 2nd World war and they did this by squandering money. If you got caught doing this in China back then, you were shot where you stood. No questions, no nothing.
Some of these people hung on to hope and migrated. They fled to contries like US and AUS and most were able to make a life. Enough to get into homes and schooled and through UNI.

I hope I don't need to read to many posts like yours. Most people would be shot down in e-mail on site for being caught believing in AMIGA and a future.

Guess what, I believe, so come get me. You're not going to make everyone feel like no hope is left. You want to be realistic?? wars are very real. If people give up, they loose. Now that's the reality of life !


Then again, their only your views lol. I really shouldn't let them get to me the way it did. I must be tired.
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