Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd party AmigaOS after OS4.0.

[cecilia]

[JoannaK]

So... Last five years have been just a bad dream.. It's AmigaDE time again?

A-inc can have their De... I'm not going to get involved anynore.

redrumloa wrote:
@Wayne

I agreed with you 100% up until this point.

Reading the transcript from Garry was worse than trying to figure out how exactly Dubya and his family are profiting from the war in the middle east (and they are).

DOH!  :smack:

Ok, so maybe it wasn't quite THAT bad,  but it was surely full of vague doubletalk.  Very Dubya in my opinion, but yes, off-topic the Bush family is making money (they're oil people remember?)

[Linchpin]

A-inc can have their De... I'm not going to get involved anynore.

Agreed! Thank god i didnt run out and get an A1 like I was planning to. However, if KMOS / Ainc want to sell STB's and generate income for the Amiga OS then thats cool, i mean any money is good money right?

I smell.... (sniff sniff sniff)... Bull$hit.

[dammy]

by Kronos on 2005/3/21 12:19:49

hich offcourse could also have been c&ped out of a 2004 or 2003 thread......

The words, yes, the advancement that is being talked about (and hopefully work will begin 2H of 05) is pretty radical departure from current status quoa among AOS/MOS/AROS systems, AFAIK.

Dammy
TeamAROS

[DFergATL]

I am sure glad I didn't buy this thing.  Love Amgia but...all this time and we still can't get a straight answer..  Same old thing.  More double talk with no real answers to the questins that matter to us.

Viva AROS...

dammy wrote:
by Kronos on 2005/3/21 12:19:49

hich offcourse could also have been c&ped out of a 2004 or 2003 thread......

The words, yes, the advancement that is being talked about (and hopefully work will begin 2H of 05) is pretty radical departure from current status quoa among AOS/MOS/AROS systems, AFAIK.

Dammy
TeamAROS

Which advancement(s) are these?

[MskoDestny]

bhoggett wrote:
Everything about the Amiga scene - including AROS - seems frozen in time. Nothing has changed, nothing's moved on or evolved at all.

Saying that AROS is frozen in time is a little harsh.  Comparing it to molasses in January might be appropriate, but it is moving.  It finally has a TCP/IP stack and a working browser, the lack of which really limited my interest before and surely others were in the same boat.

Everything about the Amiga scene - including AROS - seems frozen in time. Nothing has changed, nothing's moved on or evolved at all.

I think you might have just hit on the very obvious cause of everyone's frustrations.  The small movements we have seen have been hit by huge setbacks and soap opera moments all around.

Speaking solely from my perspective, the continual lack of progress, lies, and drama does tend to add tedium to supporting the ever-degrading Amiga community.  All of which could be resolved by one single, honest, non-duplicitous  conversation from the company that everyone's busy playing sheep to.

My point is, if Amiga Inc wants to move on, that's their right and more power to them, but they should have the cahones to straight up say "this is this and that is that" so that all these drama-driven people can move on with whatever comes next.

Wayne

Wayne wrote:

Everything about the Amiga scene - including AROS - seems frozen in time. Nothing has changed, nothing's moved on or evolved at all.

I think you might have just hit on the very obvious cause of everyone's frustrations.  The small movements we have seen have been hit by huge setbacks and soap opera moments all around.

Speaking solely from my perspective, the continual lack of progress, lies, and drama does tend to add tedium to supporting the ever-degrading Amiga community.  All of which could be resolved by one single, honest, non-duplicitous  conversation from the company that everyone's busy playing sheep to.

My point is, if Amiga Inc wants to move on, that's their right and more power to them, but they should have the cahones to straight up say "this is this and that is that" so that all these drama-driven people can move on with whatever comes next.

Wayne

Me personally, I'd like for OS4 to succeed and continue, but I won't be that bothered if it doesn't.  I've got my retro 90's amiga hardware hobby, and I'll still have my hobby if hyperion and ainc disappeared in a cloud of smoke.

[ajlwalker]

All I can say is that after the great many years of waiting, I have no expectations any more.  

At one time I had a great affinity with everything Amiga.  Now I remember fondly an old friend who has long since gone away.  I doubt I will ever feel that way about any piece of technology again.

With my current outlook, I have been surprised by how positive I have felt about recent announcements and progress.  With the AROS-Max distro, with AROS tcp, with the (imo) fantastic OS4 video, with me discovering Paihia is in development, with the announcement of the Open Office project, I have even almost wondered if a momentum was building.

With having no expectations, the above has all been seen as bonuses to me.

I may be mad, but I will most likely still buy the A1 hardware and OS4 when (if) complete.

[Argo]

@JoannaK

Are you blind? Didn't you read the transcript? It's not DE, It's call AmigaAnywhere!  :-D

[minatorb]

My point is, if Amiga Inc wants to move on, that's their right and more power to them, but they should have the cahones to straight up say "this is this and that is that"

It's so vague on the future I wonder if they have a plan at all.  I suspect there's something political going on.

I notice Ben isn't talking about OS4 beyond 4.0 and tempering that with "if it makes money" I expect it's making something but not much...

My guess is Amiga inc. are not the least bit interested in OS4 and don't have any plans for OS5, but I don't think they're just going to give away the rights.


Why the interest in DE?
Probably because 674 million phones were sold *last year*.

To put it into perspective, the size of the Amiga market is not even 1/100,000 of a % of that.


It's a wonder they don't just give away the rights to OS4...

minatorb wrote:
Why the interest in DE?
Probably because 674 million phones were sold *last year*.

Granted, but;

1) Why continue to screw over the loyal Commodore Amiga base with vague, non-descript, non-committal answers?  You would think it's specifically just for their amusement at this point since they obviously want nothing to do with the community.

2) Why do they think they (of all people) have a single snowball's chance in hell in such a market already saturated with better options.  Hell, they're even competing against the company that's providing their own software for them (Tao's Intent).  Between Eyetech reselling the Teron and Amiga Inc reselling a rebadged Intent, there's not a single original thought floating in their region of space.

3) Why call this new cellphone OS "Amiga" when it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the historic platform?  I *can* see a games company called Atari, because Atari did have games, but the Amiga never had jack to do with cellphones.

All of this has nothing to do with "the sky is falling".  The Amiga sky took a nosedive in 2001 when everyone decided that overpriced, underpowered, closed-ended hardware was forced on everyone by "Fleecy" and guys who port (not write) games for a living.

I'm not saying OS4 won't be good, but unless they're planning to do an OS4 version 1.0, 1.1, 1.xyz, the platform is dead, not that it ever had much of a life.

Wayne

[SHADES]

@ All
I dont see why it's all doom and gloom.
Really, most of you are just speculating as to what AI have said.
It seemed pretty clear to me to be quite honest.

Garry has said he is very interested in the OS and it will be moving In House for future versions.
To me that means, well, future versions.
Being In House could mean ANYTHING.
The thing is, none of you have any idea on what that means because Gary is not going to tell you. It would only be speculation.

To be quite blunt, he shouldn't have to, and I bet that Hyperion won't tell you either. If they were going to tell you every little thing, Gary would have but as he said himself, no matter how creative you get at asking the question, he's not going to answer it, so seriously, stop asking.

Hyperion AI and whoever else may or may not be involved all have signed contracts that probably have some sort of non disclosure terms otherwise they would openly talk about it.

Gary has said, he's not going to talk, same with Hyperion, leave it at that. He has said the OS will continue and lots is going to happen including multi user, 3d and some sort of Internet conective interatcion etc..

You people need to stop going around saying, it's dead, no more Hyperion etc or Micorsoft have bought it or SUN or IBM, perhaps Apple are going to make it into the next I Pod. Come on, seriously, I think even you can now see just how silly all this is. Unless you have it in writing from Gary himself, which you don't, your only guessing at something you really have no idea on.

Let's all stop all this heresay now, Gary is at the helm, he is creating the AMIGA OS with whoever he chooses and is going to deliver on his promises. So far he hasn't let anyone down and has kept promises even down to trivial T-Shirts promised by former owners of now HIS company.

Let it be. The future will tell. I think it's going to be a good one, at last we have someone at the helm who is making progress, after all, we have all seen OS4 in sertan stages, it will continue, if you want to speculate eat this one...Perhaps Hyperion are going to become part of AI

The thing is, you just have no idea what's going on behind closed doors and you shouldn't unless you sign the contract too.

Perhaps Hyperion are going to become part of AI

I have to admit, that thought has crossed my mind.  Rogue said  something on AW.net that got me thinking, after redrumloa said amigaos was dead inhouse at a company with no programmers.

Programmers can be hired. Does that concept surprise you?

Who else could Amiga Inc hire to develop their OS in house?  Morphos Team? ;-)