OS4 How close to Alpha release

[xeron]

HyperionMP wrote:

CHECK. JIT has been undergoing beta-testing for many months now.

Indeed! And very nice it is too.

- 2D/3D support for current GFX-cards
CHECK. The first batch of 3D drivers are undergoing beta-testing.

Yep. Warp3D Radeon drivers are on my machine and working fine. Its not Nova, but then that wasn't promised for 4.0.

I wouldn't know about the others since the only USB hardware I have is my digital camera (which works fine), and I don't own a printer.

[Kronos]

@Ben

You know that there is a reason why JIT and 3D haven't made it into the public release....


Undergoing betatesting for several months also means that it may take several months till something is actually released.

Rule 1: If something isn't released, it ain't ready.
Rule 2: If something isn't ready, it doesn't exist.

Hard rules, but also fair rules looking back at the past 12 years  :-x


And one could offcourse argue what "current GFX-cards" means, IMO that doesn't include a Radeon7000 (it's 2005 not 2002 afterall).

[mikeymike]

Kronos, give it a rest.  You're talking to people actually contributing to the Amiga community with a product that actually exists and works pretty well from what I've seen, even though it hasn't been released yet.

It's a shame what has happened to Amiga development since ~1993, but having a go at people actively trying to do something to fix that problem isn't going to help anyone.

[Kronos]

@mikeymike

I'm not talking to anybody contributiong anything positive, I'm talking to Ben H. who has probraly done more harm than all Bills combined.

Also don't forget that Hyperion, apart from being productive, has also set up a pattern of announcing early, releasing late (if at all), a pattern that was true in the years before they started OS4, and hasn't changed eversince.

JIT for example is a thing they talked about since late 2001, and the was "allmost done" since late 2002.

Nobody (probraly not they themselvs) know when the last missing 1% will be done, so it's perfectly o.k. to warn people not to look at what things are promised, but at what is actually there.

Claiming that the stuff I listed won't completed within this year is probraly still on the optimistic side of realism, but who wants realism anyway....

[Framiga]

"I'm not talking to anybody contributiong anything positive, I'm talking to Ben H. who has probraly done more harm than all Bills combined."

shameless statement, don't you?

[mikeymike]

Kronos, congratulations on completely ignoring what I said:

Kronos, give it a rest.

Please do not see every thread about HP/OS4 as an opportunity for a slate fest.

[Gordon]

lets just say: It's done, when it's done (3drealms joke)

[Rogue]

2 more weeks?

Neiter myself or anyone at Hyperion ever said "two more weeks".

[Rogue]

Bloodline:

You say two more weeks.

How realistic is this?

He's talking our of his backside.

Lets avoid the usual bull***t.

Too late.

Does anyone have any facts in order to answer this question.

There is a date that we're aiming for, internally. We don't make it public because if we do and miss it then there will be the usual "two more week" postings. As soon as we know we will hit that target, we'll announce it.

[Rogue]

@Kronos

I'm not talking to anybody contributiong anything positive

You listed a few points, Ben made a reply. If you can't read, I'd propose you go back to school.

Claiming that the stuff I listed won't completed within this year is probraly still on the optimistic side of realism, but who wants realism anyway....

Speaking of "positive contribution", I can't remember you doing anything of that sort, either, so I propose you take some of your own medicine.

[Rogue]

@mikeymike

Please do not see every thread about HP/OS4 as an opportunity for a slate fest.

Optimist :-)

[cecilia]

If something isn't ready, it doesn't exist.

I've seen petunia working with my own eyes. it exists. even if you don't want to believe it.


the Ususal Suspects coming out to "play" (or annoy) is just boring. can't you children find something better to do?

[DonnyEMU]

All I can say to this is THREE CHEERS for HYPERION for giving us an update. It's nice to see them here contributing..

To all the naysayers: Okay by now it's 2005, you know what pre release alpha and beta means. It means it's NOT RELEASE quality.. Would you rather have them not saying anything? C'mon folks our dear moderator is right about this stuff.

I am very happy and supportive of their progress..

[Waccoon]

I'm still a bit baffled over this.  An OS is never really "done," and someone's "beta" is another's "final."

As far as I'm concerned, software is "final" when it is in the hands of people who are not officially signed up as testers, regardless of marketing boloney.

[HyperionMP]

@Kronos

>"I'm not talking to anybody contributiong anything >positive, I'm talking to Ben H. who has probraly done more >harm than all Bills combined."

Coming from you Kronos, I know Ben will consider this to be high praise indeed.

I know he would be very worried the day that he finds out that you actually approve of something Hyperion does.

It could only mean that Hyperion was about to make a massive mistake.

[Quixote]

;-) I prefer to view the situation with guarded optimism.  Most can identify with the optimism, while Kronos at least can identify with the "guarded" part.

It's good to hear that Hyperion are on target with their unannounced release date.  (Considering that that's better than them announcing that they're behind their unannounced release date....)