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OS4 How close to Alpha release
« on: February 23, 2005, 04:07:51 PM »
It seems to have been a while since we have heard anything about the actual development and progress of OS4.

Is there an official line.

How close to a complete product are Hyperion ?

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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2005, 06:46:47 PM »
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Magic-Merl wrote:
It seems to have been a while since we have heard anything about the actual development and progress of OS4.

Is there an official line.

How close to a complete product are Hyperion ?


2 more weeks?

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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2005, 07:32:13 PM »
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No no no, the correct answer is '2 more AMIGA weeks' :-D
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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2005, 07:58:01 PM »
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@bloodline

No no no, the correct answer is '2 more AMIGA weeks' :-D


Actually... "When it's ready" (tm) ;-)

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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2005, 08:00:54 PM »
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No no no, the correct answer is '2 more AMIGA weeks' :-D


:-)

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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2005, 09:01:58 PM »
OK.

Lets try again

Bloodline:

You say two more weeks.

How realistic is this?

Lets avoid the usual bull***t.  Does anyone have any facts in order to answer this question. The community is always in doubt and the previous questions justify the reasons why.

Serious responses only..........please.

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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2005, 09:08:35 PM »
AFAIK it's already past alpha and beta release, though due to what looks like a bit of an unorthodox development process (IMHO from what I've heard from official sources), I guess the labels "alpha" and "beta" are a bit arbitrary.

In short, no idea.
 

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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2005, 11:17:36 PM »
There are parts of it in beta release already.  (As has been the case for some time.)  On AW.net Rogue mentioned a new prerelease being prepared for hopefully March.
 

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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2005, 11:19:55 PM »
i can bet anything , that is not going to be this year .
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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2005, 11:24:46 PM »
@All

It must be nearly time.

KMOS/Hyperion/Eyetech/AmigaInc would have to be daft not to coincide the release of their latest products with the 20th Anniversary of the Amiga's release coming up in early April(?). It all looks like its coming together in the next couple of months doesn't it? Not the next couple of weeks.....Surely there's another update on the way very soon. These are exciting times.

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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2005, 11:41:47 PM »
@BigBenAussie

Problem is atleast some of these "companies" (one just can't take them
serious) have allready prooven to be daft beyond believe ...

But to answer the qusetion at hand:

OS4 is clearly released in "aplha", so one could say it's getting
further and further away (since it is a date in the past), wether it
is also in "beta" is a question on how you define beta.

Some say "beta" is something that has all mayor features and only a
relative low number of bugs&quirks to be resolved.

Other will happiely use beta for everything that just works somehow on
a basic list of functionality.

OS4 would tend to be more in the 2nd group.

Even "OS4-final" is something that would very much rely on everybodies
definition, and in my opinion a final version of any (Amiga)OS should
atleast have:

- fast 68k-EMU (JIT) or enough native SW not to use ANY 68k AT ALL
(which is offcourse quite unrealistic with the remaining
developer-base).

- 2D/3D support for current GFX-cards

- USB-support, includeing scanners, kbd/mouse/joypad, masstorage etc.

- a printing system that allows the user to get a quality thats o.k.
for the printer used (3.x drivers need not apply)

And a whole lot of other thinks....

Or in other words, not this year.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2005, 02:54:20 AM »
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Kronos wrote:

Some say "beta" is something that has all mayor features and only a
relative low number of bugs&quirks to be resolved.


That's the most useful definition, IMO. I believe it's the most common too.
"Everything has to be at least implemented according to planned specs. Done. Now let's kick its tyres a bit."

Regarding beta testing of separate modules/parts, I don't think that is the same as beta testing of the whole product/suite that those parts eventually are supposed to be integrated with some day. It looks like exaggerated straining of definitions. For example, I wouldn't say I'm beta testing "Fedora Core 4" just because I'm using GNOME 2.10-beta with a Fedora Core 3 installation, instead of the FC3 default GNOME 2.8. And I wouldn't say I'm beta testing "GNOME 2.10" if I'm using GNOME 2.8 with a module or app that wasn't included with 2.8.

It's just a bunch of numbers anyway, what matters is what's implemented and when it's implemented and available.
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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2005, 03:21:09 AM »
@Magic-Merl

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Bloodline:

You say two more weeks.

How realistic is this?

"Two More Weeks"tm is a time-honored Amiga community unit of time that can be roughly translated as "When H*ll Freezes Over".  It extends back to about the time of the Escom collapse.  It echos the time estimates given by many persons associated with the various Amiga owners (most notably, those from Gateway).

It is not a serious estimate of when OS4 will be final.

You can find out more at Google Groups.
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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2005, 06:58:35 AM »
@Kronos:

- fast 68k-EMU (JIT) or enough native SW not to use ANY 68k AT ALL (which is offcourse quite unrealistic with the remaining developer-base).

CHECK. JIT has been undergoing beta-testing for many months now.

- 2D/3D support for current GFX-cards

CHECK. The first batch of 3D drivers are undergoing beta-testing.


- USB-support, includeing scanners, kbd/mouse/joypad, masstorage etc.

CHECK. Keyboard, mouse and massstorage already released to the current userbase. Scanners and printers in the works.

- a printing system that allows the user to get a quality thats o.k. for the printer used (3.x drivers need not apply)

TBA.
 

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Re: OS4 How close to Alpha release
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2005, 10:00:02 AM »
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CHECK. JIT has been undergoing beta-testing for many months now.


Indeed! And very nice it is too.

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- 2D/3D support for current GFX-cards
CHECK. The first batch of 3D drivers are undergoing beta-testing.


Yep. Warp3D Radeon drivers are on my machine and working fine. Its not Nova, but then that wasn't promised for 4.0.

I wouldn't know about the others since the only USB hardware I have is my digital camera (which works fine), and I don't own a printer.
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