I would like to address this by saying first of all I am not an OS4 hater. I think the guys at hyperion and amiga inc. are doing some really cool things. My problem and something I see as a problem for it in the US market is it doesn't use cheaply available INTEL hardware.. The US market has embraced whole heartedly. I for one was not a fan of intel cpu's until the first pentiums came about, which solved a lot of architectural issues.. The reality is that they are plentiful and cheap and you can't fight that. The thing is that they are faster and arguably cheaper than the G4 and available in quantity, including the AMD64s..
I believe quality is better then quantity, And that price tag is well worth it if it’s any good.
I would like to talk about web email and user experience on AROS. The fact of the matter is that it would be easy to port any existing Amiga code with the level of source compatibility that they have attained. Not even OS4 web browsers really touch the current CSS DOM and functionality of FireFox or Internet Explorer. So, I'd just say that there is no real advantage there at this time..
This is true and this really is the problem, whit AROS it takes to long to develop the stuff need whit small number of developers,
As far as memory protection, can you tell me honestly that it's turned on by DEFAULT?
Probably not because it introduces incompatibilities with some software.
Yes it on, it detects some errors (it not fully enabled)
While it's there and it's a feature, it's not like saying you have VIRTUAL memory. The classic Amiga didn't really have memory management and most programs were well written and didn't need it.
True, the only problem is that games to day, require more ram then most computers have for textures, and you the growing use of PNG icons and 24bit graphics, so the system requires more.
As for no Java for it, you are wrong again. J/Amiga is in development for it as well as OS4 and there is a binary for it..
Yes, and it’s not progressing fast..
As for no Opus 5.. Well there is the open source version of Opus.. I doubt I'd need more functionality than that and honestly Opus isn't all that great.. You sound like a Windows XP user who still wants to use the old Norton Commander for DOS..
No you have mixed up Opus 5 whit Directory Opus 4, Opus 5 is full scale desktop, and the need to program that can control types of AmigaDOS commands like lha and mod players, images viewers, can be handy even to day, there lots of nice old programs, to be found and used that works on OS40,
As for no media player, don't you really have to go out an buy Frogger for OS4 to get a good full featured media player anyway.. Seems to me there are plenty of PD open source Amiga players that would be a simple port to AROS..
MPlayer (DVD,AVI,MPEG,WMA,…,), AMP2 (MPG) and movid (AVI,DIVX) are all excellent (free) programs, forogger is buggy and don’t work…
Oh and no debugger? Do you as an end user of an operating system want to really see a debugger? Probably not, it sticks out like a sore thumb when it comes up saying "this is not professional"... So I really think that's a minimal thing..
To report errors when they are found back to the developer, the quality of the programs increases this way, there are rally many badly programmed 68k programs to be found, some thing you find when use AmigaOS4.0
Also, for the Amiga user who doesn't like AROS because they say it's incompatible.. Well lets talk about compatibility for a second.. Is the AmigaOne with OS 4 really much more compatible? Does the A1 read a classic Amiga floppy (without a catweasel) or retain compatiblity with classic Amiga custom chipsets. Are there Zorro slots next to the PCI slots??
To some degree yes, there is paula emulation called nellypuh you can play sound, aga/ecs screens modes and emulated, as you say your limited to software that don’t access chips directly yes, unless as you say run uae on top of AmigaOS4.0
You most check out the compatibilitylist at intuitionbase for classic software.
It's probably not software compatible with without E-UAE... Wait what's that? It's the UAE Amiga emulator, you know like Amiga Forever or WinUAE (wait shudder I just mentioned something for windows)..
yes WinUAE is better the E-UAE, then again the software that runs whit out UAE gets big speed boost by the native system resources, And you do not need to start UAE as a bonus, JIT is on it’s way for AmigaOS4.0, it’s used in the bata versions under testing
The truth is there is no generation of new Amiga that is compatible with the previous generation of Amiga's. Even the Amiga one.. The PowerPC processor is not the 68000 series, and even the PPC add-ons for old amigas, aren't software binarily compatible as I understand is.
PPC and 68k uses the same byte order, so it’s better for emulation, more sync whit classic, E-UAE for example presents the Amiga500 almost as the real thing whit out JIT, try disable JIT on WinUAE and run shadow of the beast, or any other game.
So how does one get classic compatibility (how can I run Deluxe Paint, Deluxe Print etc.??) Well my guess is thru UAE on all those platforms
yes DPaint don work, PPaint works, some programs do not work, some programs do work,
PPaint is just as good as Dpaint, and really TVpaint, FXpaint is a lot better for true color displays.
whether you run it on Windows, A1/OS4, or AROS UAE.. So anyone against it because it's an intel processor is probably just biased unecessarily.
I’m not against winuae, it most likely is doing a better job at promoting AmigaOS then AROS right now.
Current PCs are stable and very worthy and cheap. Whatever flavor of OS you decide on you can be compatible with classic Amiga through UAE..
My personal experience is different,
How many people actually use old Amiga 3.5" disks today anyway, and haven't moved there software from old systems onto ADF? Not many that I know of.. Disks go bad media goes bad, you can't get new ds/dd disks very easily anymore.. Mechanisms for 880K drives are made anymore.. Most people run an emulator..
I agree that floppy’s is bad media, old and outdated, and I can’t use Amiga floppy disk my self, I found 68k tool on aminet that allows me to mount disk images, and I’m using a frends Amiga1200 to transfer my old disk to a zip drive, currently using a USB zip drive on the AmigaOne
So that question is what really runs UAE the best? I'd bet you can't beat intel hardware for speed. Also WinUAE is probably updated the most.. So saying the A1 has a better lineage just doesn't work for me..
I be showing my amigaone/os4 setup to you if you did not live in the US. ;-)
What I like about the A1 is the new user interface and it's promise of further future development. It's nice, but I have no interest in the reaction gui and I could run a web browser on any number of other platforms and get better results.
That’s just a visual feature most of the changes are under the hood.
How many new programs are coming out for the A1 vs AROS.. So far I see more programs ported every day than I find up on OS4Depot.. The problem is to get into the A1 you have a big money hardware investment.
The dollar not at it’s best, you better start making some thing over there ;-) or Asia is taking over,
or maybe the war’s has a cost.
However you do get a comercial product (insert the windows vs linux argument here) with support behind it (commercial vs community). Most people who want a new amiga want it to run their old software library. It's just as easy with UAE on any platform. UAE is great. Where would we be as a community without it??
How knows, maybe Amiga and clones it will all die whit 197x/198x/199x generation of users.
I just don't see OS 4 as way better. I just see it as the real Amiga. I see AROS as the PowerPC hardware alternative that lets me stay with an Amiga like OS while keeping my existing hardware investment..
Quite a few OS is running on i686 and many of them are good, so do they not cover a lager market?
The next generation AmigaOS might offer us some new features like hardware 3d support,
Warp3D almost ready from what I read at aw.net,
multi user, and better networking.
No the current or the upcoming version, how knows?
If it does it will finally be the upgrade that propells the OS forward and is a reason to look at it more competitively again..
The biggest advantage it it’s size and how little cpu usage it need to run.
As for AROS it's future lies in where it's user/developer community wants to take it.. While I won't invest in a G4 or G5 for myself. I think it's nice to have an Amiga style OS even if it's not an Amiga. I feel more secure in my hardware investment and how I use my machine.
the hardware investment in a AmigaOne, makes shore that hypersion can work full time on developing the platform as small amount goes back to development of the OS,
I don't think the A1/OS4 will loose sales to AROS anymore than it's already loosing sales to windows. However having said that I bet the biggest Amiga user population growth these days is probably still WinUAE..
True
Having said I wont own a G4/G5 Amiga. I already three powerpc based Macs.. Let me tell you, my intel machines and AMD 64s just appear and clock faster. All of you PowerPC pundits need to check out the dark side.. You just might be happy these days..
A already have, and I don’t like it.
AROS looks great it’s just too slow progress.
