Best Amiga Today???

[TheMagicM]

None of the two PPC computers out are "Amiga" computers.   One just has the badging slapped on.  

I agree with the A4k being the top Amiga...and for the rest, UAE works perfect.

[Framiga]

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[redrumloa]

AmigaForever is nothing more than a glorified emulator for nostalgiacs. It does a good job at that but to call it the "Ultimate Amiga" is ridiculous.
 

WinUAE would certaily thrash an AmigaOne/OS4 in speed benchmarks and compatability. Care to compare benchmarks? OS4 will probably end up with more features eventually when it's done, but that wasn't the question.

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[redrumloa]

cdfr wrote:
I do not think so. For example WinUAE will not run any software that make use of Amiga Zorro cards such as Movieshop.
What can UAE can do that a real Amiga can not do ?
 

ANy software that is dependant on zoro hardware, that's a different story. The classic certainly wins. The nice thing about AmigaForever/WinUAE is it can be configured to emulate ANY hardware you like. Try playing some of those oddball OCS games on an accelerated A4000. Sure there may be a degrader for a specific game, but not all.

As for speed it would definitaly be a peg2 G4 (fast JIT + native OS and software). However some 68k software may run faster emulated on an extremely fast PC.

That would depend on the program in question, it would be a toss up between Peg II and WinUAE.

[DrBombcrater]

Tss, Pegasos II G4 get smarter CPU (MPC7447 running at 1Ghz), DDR -> faster

The 800MHz 750GX that's used on the uA1 is a bit of a beast. There's not much in the way of hard figures yet (mostly Quake frame rates) but it seems to be easily quicker than a 1GHz G4.

[SamuraiCrow]

EUAE for Intel Linux is catching up to WinUAE.  You'll still need the AmigaForever cd for the Kickstart ROM images though...  It's a pity there's no JIT compiler for the PPC version of EUAE though, that would make the AmigaOne and Pegasos much stronger compatability candidates.

[alx]

None of the two PPC computers out are "Amiga" computers. One just has the badging slapped on.

The A1 isn't just an Amiga because it's created by the continuation of the same company, you know?  Considering that it runs AmigaOS (based on the orignal source code), I'd say that it's just as much an "Amiga" compared to the "Classic" line as a modern Mac is compared to the 68k Macs - just that there's been a period without any new developments.  Of course, that doesn't make other solutions inferior in any way, but just different...

[SamuraiCrow]

DrBombcrater wrote:
The 800MHz 750GX that's used on the uA1 is a bit of a beast. There's not much in the way of hard figures yet (mostly Quake frame rates) but it seems to be easily quicker than a 1GHz G4.

It's the bigger caches on the 750GX that give it the advantage.  If you had an Altivec enhaned version of Quake there would be a different story about the G4.

[NicoPPC]

The 800MHz 750GX that's used on the uA1 is a bit of a beast. There's not much in the way of hard figures yet (mostly Quake frame rates) but it seems to be easily quicker than a 1GHz G4.
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It's an interresting comparaison.
750GX feature 1Mb of L2 cache, while MPC7447 "only" 512Kb.
However, the G4 has Altivec (which can be useful for some stuff) and
(IMO) smarter mem bus usage.

The two CPU core a re prolly way different, it's hard to compare them
only on the "basic" spec (Cache, FSB speed...).

In th end, I think G4 is faster than G3 at same frequency. It would be
nice to make some benchmark between these two.

However, we would need either a µA1 with MPC7447 1Ghz, a 750GX
module for the Pegasos II or maybe on Mac (?)

Bye

[x56h34]

:flame:

Ah, it burns!

This thread is turning out to be quite flamey.

There's only one little detail left in order to spice it up juuust right:

Which Amiga USB controller is the best? AmigaOne USB, Algor USB, or Spider II USB? :-)

:flame:

[HotRod]

Why is speed everything when you talk about the Amiga but not when you talk about Wintel?

If you want speed, why don't you install Win 3.x? Then you'll get speed!

AOS 4 can not be compared to AOS 3.x!

Besides who of you are watching DVDs in WinUAE?

WinUAE is nice and all but I would never replace my A1 with AOS 4 to a PC with WinUAE. I've tried WinUAE on a PIV 2.4GHz and an AMD 2700+ and yes it was fast but not even close to how it feels using a real Amiga and limited to AOS 3.9.

[Piru]

Migrating from IBM 750GX to MPC7447A

:-)

[redrumloa]

@HotRod

I don't think anyone put down OS4 here, however in the context of the question I think it is only fair to answer honestly. No speed isn't everything, though having it sure is nice. Compatability and software base is the key factor. At this point OS4 would be on the bottom.

Software compatability(overall - ie bulk % of compatability)
1)WinUAE
2)Real Amiga(3000/4000)
3)Peggy/MorphOS
4)A1/OS4

[HopperJF]

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[drHirudo]

None of the two PPC computers out are "Amiga" computers. One just has the badging slapped on.

I agree with the A4k being the top Amiga...and for the rest, UAE works perfect.

If you want to be completely pedantic you can easily say that the A4000 is none an "Amiga" computer either.
I have A1000, A4000 sitting under it and µAmigaOne sitting next to the A4000. Also A1200 placed behind the TV.
If you watch at the A1000 and then at the A4000, later at the A1000 and then the µA1 you can easily say that they have nothing similar except the names.
The A1000 have 68000, needs Kickstart disk to boot, doesn't have IDE controller and uses strange Apple2 alike 80W PSU.
 The Keyboard from the A1000 isn't working on the A4000, neither the A4000 keyboard is working on the A1000,
neither the keyboard from the µA1 is working on the A1000 or the A4000 (unless I use the Lyra adaptor on the A4K).
 The disk drives on the A1000 and the A4000 are different too (the µA1 doesn't have a floppy at all). But all the Amiga machines I have run
AmigaOS in one version or another on them and for me all they are Amigas.

The most compatible Amiga I have is my A1200 with WHDLoad installed.

The fastest is my µA1. The best emulator is WinUAE (have JIT).

The only real Amiga at pedantic level is the Amiga 1000. It doesn't even have a numbers on the case. Just Amiga and the logo.
It was designed by the father of the Amiga - Jay Miner. The others weren't.

[HotRod]

Yes Altivec will make programs that supports it faster but the G3GX is faster for general usage according to Hyperion.

Also the faster G4s are said to be faster than those in A1 XEs because of the larger cache.

If someone who have tried both experienced one as faster than the other I belive that it is so. Do you need benchmarks for everything?

If you're driving can't you see the difference between 30 km/h and 100 km/h without watching the needle?