potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP

[koaftder]

adolescent wrote:
@lou

Good luck then.  I still don't think they'll sell devkits to people off the street (they never have, even buying from SNSystems you need to be registered developer).  Being a licensed developer working with a small dev team is a small thing compared to being a bedroom coder.  

Also remember that Nintendo has to approve what gets published.  You'd have to convince Atari AND Nintendo and I don't think that's going to happen either.  But, maybe in a few years a modchip for the Rev will be released and we'll have this thread repeat itself. :crazy:

Re: E3.  It's not as exciting as it used to be.  Too many non-industry types getting in on faked credentials.  I didn't even bother to go last year because of the crowds and lack of anything interesting to look at/play.  (I had been every year except the first one and the one that was in Atlanta) .  This year, with the lack of booth babes might be even worse, but at least the new systems will be displayed.  

But dude, you dont understand Nintendo is like, god and jesus and all thoes other people. Nintendo will spark a new revolution in the world. They are going to give away dev kits to 13 year olds for free! LOL!

LOL! Nintendo will approve any game, no matter how perverted or violent it may be. Nintendo is here to liberate us all. LOL! LOL! LOL! This thread will probably be here when the mod chips are avaiable for this new system. LOL!

LOL!

LOL! I'm actually considered a professional! LOL! I might even buy one for me and one for a friend and then a third and ebay it. LOL!

[Louis Dias]

Yeah, no booth babes does suck...

...

and I don't think koaftlder's put down the beer since we agreed to a toast.

[FaZyCrUcK]

Nice to see people taking an interest in the site, it's good to know I'm not the only one looking, hehe.

Check back soon, I have a ton of dev units on the way.

GDEV's
GBOXes
Brand new boxed DDH
NPDP Gang writers, etc etc

SN-TDEV would be nice but very expensive at the mo

Andy

[adolescent]

lou_dias wrote:

adolescent wrote:

Yes, but will they really sell one to you?  It's easy to get a second hand NR Reader but getting something straight from Nintendo is going to be tough.

Well, if you've been following there announcements since E3, they are looking to attract small developers and reduce team sizes and development time.  I think the first 'Brain Training' game on the DS was done by no more than 5 people...

Well, I just got a reply to my Revolution devkit inquiry.  Basicly it was "sod off, we only sell development kits to established developers".  So, no Yaroze! for Nintendo.  I'm sure Sony won't let the homebrew developers down at least.

[Louis Dias]

FaZyCrUcK wrote:
Nice to see people taking an interest in the site, it's good to know I'm not the only one looking, hehe.

Check back soon, I have a ton of dev units on the way.

GDEV's
GBOXes
Brand new boxed DDH
NPDP Gang writers, etc etc

SN-TDEV would be nice but very expensive at the mo

Andy

Welcome to the site, try not to let the trolls put you off too much.  Do you have any SDK's to go with the hardware?



@Adolescent
To break in, you pretty much need a demo running on some system to show off that you can actually do something then maybe they'll give you a license to actually port it over.  You have to knock on alot of doors.  Being a student at DigiPen also helps alot as Nintendo sponsors that place.

My friend is persuing a Master's at UMass-Dartmouth and they are studying the GC's caching.

[Tripitaka]

adolescent wrote:
I'm sure Sony won't let the homebrew developers down at least.

WHAT!!! RU MUCKING FAD? Sony have let homebrew developers down every time. They offer the kit at inflated prices and with naff devware. PSP is just the latest example of hardware that could have given us a whole new generation of bedroom coders...but no! Try GP32X instead.

Sony care only for cash, make no mistake. They love proprietory media as you get to buy everything you own again, hence UMD! They make hardware that could be truly great at times but then only allow you to fully use it by buying more add-ons or modding. As for pro customers (like me *) they get to charge £70 per foot of cable because it has proprietory Sony plugs on each end.
:madashell:  :madashell:  :madashell:  :madashell:  :madashell:

*DVD Author: Trained by Sony.

[FaZyCrUcK]

Yeah, I have a load of SDK's on the way too... the official Dolphin SDK, and a ProDG... Can't wait.
Thanks for the welcome!

Andy

[Tripitaka]

Good point FaZyCrUcK...

.. :pint:  :insane:  :mickeymouse:  :banana:  :kitty:  :juggler:  :hat:  :elvis:  :afro:  :crazy:  :pint: ...
Welcome to the mad house.

[Louis Dias]

FaZyCrUcK wrote:
Yeah, I have a load of SDK's on the way too... the official Dolphin SDK, and a ProDG... Can't wait.
Thanks for the welcome!

Andy

You're welcome!

What do you intend to do with it all?

[FaZyCrUcK]

Usually just collect, and tinker with the parts I understand. As I'm not too good with C (though i try) I usually can't do a great deal but it's always interesting to use official dev equipment, like the NR Writer which I got to work.

Also I collect stuff so I can document it on my site, as not many people know about it

Andy

[Louis Dias]

Maybe we can eventually get AROS natively booting on the GC.  Also, you should check out www.gcdev.com

[adolescent]

Tripitaka wrote:

adolescent wrote:
I'm sure Sony won't let the homebrew developers down at least.

WHAT!!! RU MUCKING FAD? Sony have let homebrew developers down every time. They offer the kit at inflated prices and with naff devware. PSP is just the latest example of hardware that could have given us a whole new generation of bedroom coders...but no! Try GP32X instead.

Every time?  Remember, Playstation had Net Yaroze! homebrew kit, Playstation 2 had PS2 Linux Kit for homebrew, Playstation 3 is rummored to support Linux development (or maybe with add-on).  

Sony is the only company consistantly letting homebrew developers have affordable and available tools for their consoles.

It's Sony's right to lock out pirates and people using illegal copies of the PSP SDK.  Nintendo and Microsoft do the same with their consoles.  The GP2X only market is homebrew, since there are no commercial softwares for it.

[Tripitaka]

Ha BL~~DY Ha, I think you miss the point. Yaroze was expensive for a couple of cables and a fuzzy black texture PS, required a PC and lacked many of the features the full Playstation developers' suite provided.
Linux on PS2 may well be welcome but the HDD included with the Linux Kit is not compatible with PlayStation 2 games, (reformatting the HDD with the utility disc provided with the retail HDD enables use with PlayStation 2 games but removes the Linux). It didn't use the DVD ROM drive either did it, hmm....I'll give it a 4.

However, an A1200 just required a copy of Blitz Basic to get most people going and you don't need to reformat a HDD to play games. Even the CD32 was more flexible than Linux PS2 for homebrew.

I would like to see a true homebrew system like the Amiga was. Lets face it, all you should need on an XBOX is a keyboard and some software, the rest is all in place.
It's not about the "interested" finding cheap kit to code with, they'll code anyway. It's about thousands of J Doe's who when bored of countless hours on GTA have a play with the SEUCK of the day and find they actually enjoyed CREATING something.
If it's in the box and 1% try it out then maybe 1% of them make fun games, on a system like PS2, GC or XBOX we gain a stack of great PD. The industry in turn gets some new ideas and potential future stars. Look how Team 17 started.

   :-)

[Louis Dias]

Tripitaka wrote:
Ha BL~~DY Ha, I think you miss the point. Yaroze was expensive for a couple of cables and a fuzzy black texture PS, required a PC and lacked many of the features the full Playstation developers' suite provided.
Linux on PS2 may well be welcome but the HDD included with the Linux Kit is not compatible with PlayStation 2 games, (reformatting the HDD with the utility disc provided with the retail HDD enables use with PlayStation 2 games but removes the Linux). It didn't use the DVD ROM drive either did it, hmm....I'll give it a 4.

However, an A1200 just required a copy of Blitz Basic to get most people going and you don't need to reformat a HDD to play games. Even the CD32 was more flexible than Linux PS2 for homebrew.

I would like to see a true homebrew system like the Amiga was. Lets face it, all you should need on an XBOX is a keyboard and some software, the rest is all in place.
It's not about the "interested" finding cheap kit to code with, they'll code anyway. It's about thousands of J Doe's who when bored of countless hours on GTA have a play with the SEUCK of the day and find they actually enjoyed CREATING something.
If it's in the box and 1% try it out then maybe 1% of them make fun games, on a system like PS2, GC or XBOX we gain a stack of great PD. The industry in turn gets some new ideas and potential future stars. Look how Team 17 started.

   :-)

Ya know, that's what's missing from today's market.  There are no Commodore 64's or Amiga 500's in today's market.

If someone release a "console" that could be "officially" expanded into a PC that people could write PD software for and do a couple of simple things like surf the web and check email, wouldn't that be neat?  Really, that's all I'd like from an AOS port on GC.  Run some games and do simple things.  People forget that back then there work several different classes of computers:  personal, workstation, mini and super...  Now it seems it's only personal and super.

As a kid I could save up and get a C64 and later Amiga and when I was bored playing games, I did try my hand at programming.  That was the appeal.  It's not that simple today.  As a 13 year-old, your mom would not buy you a new PC and let you do whatever you want to it.  A product needs to come off as a mere toy, but offer possibilities to the curious child/teen...now how do you build a market around it in today's world?

Bundle it with AMOS!

[adolescent]

Tripitaka wrote:
Ha BL~~DY Ha, I think you miss the point. Yaroze was expensive for a couple of cables and a fuzzy black texture PS, required a PC and lacked many of the features the full Playstation developers' suite provided.

Expensive?.  $650 when the Playstation was $200 doesn't seem like that much of a stretch.  But, of course it was stripped down.  Who would pay for a full dev unit if the "homebrew" version was thousands cheaper and offered the same features.  The developers I worked with in the past all used modified PS to test games.  It was too risky to burn up a dev unit.

Linux on PS2 may well be welcome but the HDD included with the Linux Kit is not compatible with PlayStation 2 games, (reformatting the HDD with the utility disc provided with the retail HDD enables use with PlayStation 2 games but removes the Linux). It didn't use the DVD ROM drive either did it, hmm....I'll give it a 4.

You can use the DVD-ROM, don't know where you heard that.  As for the HD, you are probably correct.  But, unless you want to play FFX (or the other 2-3 HD games) that isn't a big deal.  (I've never been asked to reformat mine)

However, an A1200 just required a copy of Blitz Basic to get most people going and you don't need to reformat a HDD to play games. Even the CD32 was more flexible than Linux PS2 for homebrew.

Are you BL~~DY mad?  The PS2 + Linux kit has more memory, a HD, Ethernet, DVD-ROM, VGA output, USB, etc. all which the CD32 is lacking.  The CD32 doesn't even come with a floppy drive or keyboard.  To develop ON the CD32 you need an expensive add-on, or you need to use a seperate computer (hmm... one of the negatives you said about PS homebrew)

I agree about the A1200, but that's because it's a computer.  (But, remember this entire thread is based on the delusion that the GCN can become a computer).  

And, again say that you need to format the HDD to play games.  This is not true.  It is only true if you want to use the HDD with a HDD compatible game.

I would like to see a true homebrew system like the Amiga was.

Agreed.  Like I said the PS3 looks promising if it comes with Linux like has been mentioned.  Otherwise, people can always grab a PC (they probably already have) and start coding.

[_ThEcRoW]

For when os4 on my beloved N64??