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[Louis Dias]

Karlos wrote:

Take C/C++, take out pointer syntax, take out all preprocessor stuff

now you are starting to get the right idea

Like I said a cleanER rendition...

Again this is my opinion.  A million arguments that start with "but if ..." isn't going to change it.

[Karlos]

lou_dias wrote:

Karlos wrote:

Take C/C++, take out pointer syntax, take out all preprocessor stuff

now you are starting to get the right idea

Like I said a cleanER rendition...

No, you said that C/C++ suited an era of cryptic, densely packed source code to save memory, screen space whatever. You then claim that java is a better rendition and yet in every important syntactical way it is identical to C/C++. Same operators, same braces, same indentation.

The things I listed were features removed from the language for different reasons, they were not removed for a cleaner syntax, even if it has led to cleaner looking source - which itself is subjective. Do you have any idea how tiring it is to read through a large java class when you are only interested in the method/property names? In this regard, it is a step backwards from C++, which at leasts allows you to define these things in a header and fill the data in later.

Again, I am afraid the point doesn't stand. If C/C++ are syntactically fugly for all the reasons you have previously stated, then java is *equally* fugly as it still retains all of the C syntax you have so far criticised.

[adolescent]

Here's a quote that sums up lou and his vast knowledge of programming languages.  

"We mock what we do not understand." - Austin Millbarge

Lou, you're a ml programmer from way back?  Yet you can't follow C syntax?  Suuuuuuuure.  :-D

[AmiGR]

And let me tell you MY opinion. I'd been trying to learn Basic ever since I was a  child and I kept doing so until I was 13-14 or so. Then, I tried C and not only did I get it straight away but I found it to be incredibly logical. More than that, you can read Basic code loudly all you want but it doesn't make the damn awful IF, THEN BS more followable code. I CANNOT follow a Basic program if it's more than a few lines long, it has no clear structure.

[koaftder]

Ive noticed that most of the other developer types on a.org never bothered to add their bit to this discussion. That probably means something.

[Louis Dias]

Well it amuses me to see people get all huffy about subjective material.

Developers has their favorite environment and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of it unless mandated to change it by a superior or sheer curiosity.

Waccoon, you can run your mouth all you want.  So because I had 2 classes in C/C++ some 15 years ago, I'm supposed to remember every nuance?  Same with 6502/8502 assembly when I was 16 or 17 and 8088 assembly during a college course...again 15 years ago.  What I do remember is my impressions of using the language.  That's all I need.  I started using Visual Studio in 97/98 and haven't needed anything else ever since.  I have read a book on Java Certification Exams since then but I couldn't become comfortable in and IDE so I was turned off by it.  Even read a book on PHP/MySQL/Apache for Windows (WAMP) (C for the internet - oh joy) and didn't like that either.

I'm employed to develop in VB.net 2003 (soon 2005) with SQL Server.  I have no need nor desire to force myself to like a language that isn't going to pay my bills.

Unless one of YOU are going to pay me to say that I like C or C++, it's not going to happen.  Deal with it.

ps,
About 8502 vs. 8088, I forget the instruction, but I remember an 6502/8502 instruction that was the equivalent of 2 8088 instructions in sequence.  Other than the lack of registers, I enjoyed 8502 assembly alot more than 8088 assembly and that also helped me perceive the entire x86 line of CPUs less favorably, not that I've kept up with it...but none the less, a lasting impression was left on me.  Now please, someone ramble on about why I should love x86 assembly... :roll:

[koaftder]

lou_dias wrote:
Well it amuses me to see people get all huffy about subjective material.

Developers has their favorite environment and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of it unless mandated to change it by a superior or sheer curiosity.

Waccoon, you can run your mouth all you want.  So because I had 2 classes in C/C++ some 15 years ago, I'm supposed to remember every nuance?  Same with 6502/8502 assembly when I was 16 or 17 and 8088 assembly during a college course...again 15 years ago.  What I do remember is my impressions of using the language.  That's all I need.  I started using Visual Studio in 97/98 and haven't needed anything else ever since.  I have read a book on Java Certification Exams since then but I couldn't become comfortable in and IDE so I was turned off by it.  Even read a book on PHP/MySQL/Apache for Windows (WAMP) (C for the internet - oh joy) and didn't like that either.

I'm employed to develop in VB.net 2003 (soon 2005) with SQL Server.  I have no need nor desire to force myself to like a language that isn't going to pay my bills.

Unless one of YOU are going to pay me to say that I like C or C++, it's not going to happen.  Deal with it.

Your oppinion about a language that you used briefly 15 years ago means nothing to anybody. And thats what everybody is saying, so why do you feel the need to keep repeating it?

[Louis Dias]

koaftder wrote:

Your oppinion about a language that you used briefly 15 years ago means nothing to anybody. And thats what everybody is saying, so why do you feel the need to keep repeating it?

Because they keep expecting me to change it as if I should worship the keyboard they type on.

[Louis Dias]

AmiGR wrote:
And let me tell you MY opinion. I'd been trying to learn Basic ever since I was a  child and I kept doing so until I was 13-14 or so. Then, I tried C and not only did I get it straight away but I found it to be incredibly logical. More than that, you can read Basic code loudly all you want but it doesn't make the damn awful IF, THEN BS more followable code. I CANNOT follow a Basic program if it's more than a few lines long, it has no clear structure.

Stop looking @ Microsoft's Commodore 64 Basic 2.0! :roflmao:

[koaftder]

lou_dias wrote:

koaftder wrote:

Your oppinion about a language that you used briefly 15 years ago means nothing to anybody. And thats what everybody is saying, so why do you feel the need to keep repeating it?

Because they keep expecting me to change it as if I should worship the keyboard they type on.

Your opinion is an unpopular one. If you went to democrats.org and ranted on about how great bush is you would get similar feedback. Obviously this just isnt the place to tell the world that you think vb.net is better than c/c++. Sorry, thats just how life works.

[Louis Dias]

Nor is it the place to ask for an Amiga OS on Nintendo hardware...  But I did it anyway.

What is interesting is that some who don't agree have also not ever used Visual Studio...atleast I've used C/C++.

[AmiGR]

I have used Visual Studio and, sorry, I still hate Basic.
BTW, it's useless for what I'm doing anyway. I'm an electronic engineering student, so it has to be hardware banging usually.

[koaftder]

lou_dias wrote:
Nor is it the place to ask for an Amiga OS on Nintendo hardware...  But I did it anyway.

What is interesting is that some who don't agree have also not ever used Visual Studio...atleast I've used C/C++.

I'm supprised... For the longest time i used VisualStudio on my linux c projects because i like the IDE so much. Version 7 was a major improvement over 6 in my opinion. These days i use kDevelop, it's somewhat similiar to VS. Another IDE i use a lot is uVision3 from keil, it's somewhat similar to vs as well.

I wouldnt hold it against somebody for never having used VS though. VS is personally is my favorite, but i'll use what ever is most approprate for the task at hand. There are so many good IDE's out there, in a general sense, it doesnt really matter.

[uncharted]

lou_dias wrote:
Nor is it the place to ask for an Amiga OS on Nintendo hardware...  But I did it anyway.

What is interesting is that some who don't agree have also not ever used Visual Studio...atleast I've used C/C++.

So after 32 pages of comments we've established that:-

*You are a fanatical Nintendo fanboy
*You won't listen to arguments presented to you
*You like to spout on about things you don't know/understand
*And you're a shyte programmer.

Groovy!

[Piru]

My final contribution to this invaluable thread:

sums it up pretty good

[justthatgood]

*I guess I'm a going to be a Nazi Microsoft loving freak because I wanna a XBox 360 for some strange reason (maybe after they get all the hardware problems straighten out )

*I like to listen to arguements because I like to have ammo to fire back at people.

*I try not to make myself look like an idiot (most of the time, sometimes you just can't help it)

*I love C!!!!! I'm probably going to get better a C++. When my friends were going to do game development, it had to be in C.     IMHO any real developer that develops real software is using C/C++ (no using Director isn't real programming)


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