potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP

[billt]

>Now would be the time for a legitimate developer who cares
>about promoting the Amiga platform to join the revolution
>(pardon the pun).


Again, why don't you sit down and write up a business plan around your idea? Simply saying that some developer that's not you should "Port AmigaOS to Gamecube/Revolution" is not anywhere near a business plan. You need to be convincing to those who make financial decisions. Do you even know what Nintendo's contract terms for such an undertaking are? No, you don't just buy a dev kit and go to work...

What are Nintendo's terms for distributing software that runs on their hardware? Do they get a license fee of any kind, and how much? How much detail does hardware documentation (ie. as needed to write drivers for it) include inthe dev kit? Is this suitable, or must more detailed documentation be licensed seperately? What terms and fees are associated with that? And on and on and on.

Do some research into this. Get some real answers to such questions that any businessman will want answered before he'd ever seriously consider such a thing. Guesses are equal to "I have no clue". Assumptions are equal to "I have no clue". Beliefs are equal to "I have no clue". You either know each particular detail for absolute fact and would be willing to bet a very large sum of money (as in many many many thousands of dollars, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars) that you are correct, or you have no clue on each particular detail. You're asking some developer to wager such a large sum of money to do this for you, it's only fair to ask that you're personally willing to lose that same amount of money in your proposal if you're wrong. If you are not willing to wager your own money, then why should the businessman you're pitching it to take the same risk on your behalf?

If you seriously pitched this business plan to someone, why would he be willing to risk his house being reposessed? Not a dumb question, as a mortgage sized bank loan would likely be required, and possibly much more than that, to actually do what you're talking about. If you have well researched and good answers to the kinds of detailed questions a businessman would ask, there may be an opportunity for you to make money here.

If you're not willing to do the research yourself, you must not believe in it enough to be worth your time. And if it isn't worth your time or energy to find out so much information for yourself (to explain to developers/bunenessmen), then you'll never talk a businessman or developer into it either.

[Waccoon]

The fact that Revolution is backwards compatible, will include a hard drive and will have a familiar API makes the issue current and revelant.

"Compatible" isn't quite accurate.  The PS2 is "compatible" with PSX games, but you can't take advantage of any of the PS2's new features.  You also can't run old-gen and new-gen software at the same time.  That's fine for games, but not for a PC.

Xbox talk is quite off-topic not only for this site but for this thread The XBOX is a PC in game machine's clothing

Um, aren't you talking about turning a console into a PC?  The XBox is architectually better suited for the job.  But, you just don't like that puny little Celeron.

You quoted a floating point performance value of the G3 in the GC and compared it to a value in the XBOX's GPU

Sorry, wrong Amiga.org member.  Re-read your own thread.

Give me the XBOX's Celeron's Gflop measure or give me nothing.

My point is that the Celeron isn't the only chip in the XBox that does floating point math, and each chip in the system does math differently.  You seem to be obsessed about the Celeron and completely overlook nVidia's chipset, though.

For game machines, the developer kit includes drivers and an API that get loaded in with the final game disc, it always hits the metal. That's why game machine are so efficient at playing games...shocker!

And so totally poor at anything but games.  Yeah, you can write an API to run in kernel mode because anything can run in kernel mode.  However, the APIs still give instructions to the drivers, and the drivers do the work.  Abstraction isn't just about performance.  Sometimes they, you know, might actually make a programmer's life easier, or make the system a hell of a lot more stable.

The machine is a hacker's dream...unfortunately I am not a teenager with endless time on my hands. Again, I'm just exploring the idea and getting hit on the head for it.

So, you're talking about a hacker's dream, but you're not a hacker?

I thought the whole reason the AmigaOne was developed is because people don't want to hack anymore, and want a modern system?

I don't see any GC title having poor boot time.

Ah, so obviously the hardware is responsible for that.  Every console has its share of games that will either boot up in 5 seconds, or 2 minutes, though I'm only familiar with PS2 titles.  To me, the boot times for Ratchet and Clank are amazingly fast, while Burnout3 is unbearable.  I suppose the PS2's DVD drive just works slower when running Burnout3?

Also, I just explained how the GC can read SD memory cards so not performance hit there.

Not all SD cards are the same performance, and it also depends on the quality of your reader.  I know, because I work in a photography store and use memory cards all the time.  Each reader in the store has different performance, even though they can all read SD cards.

You're also not factoring in CPU utilization and other grunt work.

I'm just showing how people on this board can get what they have been asking for at a lower cost.

You mean the "hacker's dream," instead of a real computer?

Like I said, add on all that other hardware, and the cost advantage to the Gamecube itself dwindles.  What were you just saying about PS/2 keyboard adapters and card readers?

Commodore and every would-be owner since then had always tried to license the technology for set-top boxes of one form or another.

PCs are designed to be flexible.  It's a lot easier to take a "real" computer and turn it into a set-top box, than to go the other way around.  If you actually tried to make an OS for Gamecube yourself, you might realize that.

But, you're not into development.  You're into ideas.

I guess people want a single-bus system that offers the same inefficiencies of the WINTEL platform they are deathly trying to avoid.

Single bus?  Would you care to elaborate on that, especially compared to a highly-optimized closed architecture designed only to play games, like Gamecube?

Remember, it's the Gamecube's "custom chips" that makes it more efficient. Does that sound familiar?

Yes.  I'm running an Abit IS7 motherboard with a Radeon 9800 Pro, an Audigy2, integrated networking and joystick, USB, 1394, a flexible memory architecture that can take up to 4 memory modules, and a flashable BIOS.  Plus more, but I can't be bothered to dig up my manual and look up all the features.

Would you care to list how many custom chips are in my machine?

And before you start complaining about the cost of all that stuff, it's worth noting that you can get fully-integrated PC motherboards that are cheaper than my setup, which, after all, is the whole reason for getting a PC instead of a closed architecture like a game console.

Commodity is more important than raw performance.  The entire PC industry depends on that principle.

If the API is the same (but expanded) then software compatibility can easily be maintained. Isn't that how 'OS-compliant' software for the A500 runs on the A1200?

Technically, yes, if the APIs were designed to work that way.  The problem is, the Amiga's APIs where designed for mutitasking, the Gamecube APIs are not.  The OS would have to have all of its own user-mode APIs to abstract the Gamecube APIs (in other words, wrappers, which are anything but efficient).

Finally, please don't respond

Oh, I forgot... this is your thread.

Revolution is coming, it has a poop-load more power than even the A1G4 and it has a hard drive and it will support HD displays.

Everything is more powerful than AmigaOne (and less buggy, too).  Saying you're better than the lowest-common-denominator says little.

It overcomes all your complaints.

Except for the fact you were hyping Gamecube.  Now that Revolution has been announced, that's all you care about, despite that fact it's architecture is more closely related to that cheezy, Celeron-powered Wintel... thing.

Of course, XBox was "off topic" because it wasn't PPC.  Now that Revolution has been announced, will you make Gamecube off topic, too?

Why not AMIGA OS? For DS? For Revolution?

Because:

1) This thread was about Gamecube, not Revolution or DS.
2) DS is a joke except for PDA-type tasks, in which case, use a regular PDA or one of those new, mutifunction cell phones which are actually designed to do that stuff.
3) Hyperion is not interested in anything but "their" platform, AmigaOne, so the Amiga Revolution isn't going to happen.

Of course, don't let that stop you from trying to get OS4 working on it.  Have fun.

[Louis Dias]

Waccoon wrote:
"Compatible" isn't quite accurate.  The PS2 is "compatible" with PSX games, but you can't take advantage of any of the PS2's new features.  You also can't run old-gen and new-gen software at the same time.  That's fine for games, but not for a PC.

The PS2 is backwards compatible with the PS1 because Sony included all the PS1's chips into the PS2.  That's publicly known.  It's not a "software emulation".

Xbox talk is quite off-topic not only for this site but for this thread The XBOX is a PC in game machine's clothing

Um, aren't you talking about turning a console into a PC?  The XBox is architectually better suited for the job.  But, you just don't like that puny little Celeron.

I'm talking about Amigas not PC's.  Anything not related to Nintendo or Amiga hardware and software is off-topic.  I thought that was pretty obvious.  If I wanted a cheap PC...well I already have one...and one not so cheap.

You quoted a floating point performance value of the G3 in the GC and compared it to a value in the XBOX's GPU

Sorry, wrong Amiga.org member.  Re-read your own thread.

Give me the XBOX's Celeron's Gflop measure or give me nothing.

My point is that the Celeron isn't the only chip in the XBox that does floating point math, and each chip in the system does math differently.  You seem to be obsessed about the Celeron and completely overlook nVidia's chipset, though.

yes so the GC's GPU can do that as well but you or whomever ignored that and compared an XBOX GPU's math processing the math processing power of the G3 in the 'Cube.  My point is that it wasn't a fair comparison.

I don't see any GC title having poor boot time.

Ah, so obviously the hardware is responsible for that.  Every console has its share of games that will either boot up in 5 seconds, or 2 minutes, though I'm only familiar with PS2 titles.  To me, the boot times for Ratchet and Clank are amazingly fast, while Burnout3 is unbearable.  I suppose the PS2's DVD drive just works slower when running Burnout3?

You are being silly.  You just stated that you are only familiar with the PS2.  The PS2 has the longest load times of the 3 systems.  That's compared against the same title on all systems (not different ones) so I can see where you get your worries.  Read my text: the Gamecube doesn't suffer from long loading times.  The PS2 does and so do games that don't partly install on the XBOX's hard drive.  Yes it partly depends on the game itself but when you compare the same game on all 3 platforms, the Gamecube is just faster.

Also, I just explained how the GC can read SD memory cards so not performance hit there.

Not all SD cards are the same performance, and it also depends on the quality of your reader.  I know, because I work in a photography store and use memory cards all the time.  Each reader in the store has different performance, even though they can all read SD cards.

You're also not factoring in CPU utilization and other grunt work.

Please quote me some REAL numbers here.  You make it sound like reading an SD memory card is a slow as a C=64 floppy.  Really, I think you like to hear yourself argue moot points.

Like I said, add on all that other hardware, and the cost advantage to the Gamecube itself dwindles.  What were you just saying about PS/2 keyboard adapters and card readers?

here ya go:

used gamecube at Electronics Boutique $60
Max Drive for Gamecube $39.99
http://us.codejunkies.com/shop/product.asp?c=US&cr=USD&cs=$&r=0&l=1&ProdID=297
Powerboard (keyboard) $19.99
http://us.codejunkies.com/shop/product.asp?c=US&cr=USD&cs=$&r=0&l=1&ProdID=167
Nintendo Boradband Adapter $34.99
http://store.nintendo.com do a search for 'broadband'

And you can score most of that stuff off ebay for less.  I got my broadband adapter for $21 on ebay.  If you don't wnat to get the Powerboard, I've seen this adapter:
http://store.yahoo.com/videogamesdepo/gamkeyadnewg.html

on ebay sell for $8, then you can use a spare ps2 keyboard.

So even if you bought a brand new GC, you'd spend a whopping $200.  The horror.  I can see why zealots of the A1 will continue to bash my idea.

Here's a link to Billt's site:
http://www.forefronttechnologiesinc.com/Products/?item=105

for the low low price of $1044 you get:
750Fx G3 PowerPC CPU @ 800MHz (upgradable) fan cooled
ATI Radeon 7000 onboard video with 32MB DDR, including SVGA, S-Video, and Composite outputs
CMI8738 6-channel (5.1) surround sound audio onboard
1 SODIMM socket (populated with 256MB module)
1 32-bit PCI slot (riser optional)
2 UDMA IDE connectors
3Com 920C 10/100Mbps Ethernet
2 USB connectors + 2 optional
Floppy connector
1 game & 1 parallel port
1 serial port (on header)
PS/2 keyboard & mouse connectors

so no hard drive, keyboard, mouse or monitor...

The Flipper outperforms the Radeon 7000.  The 'Cube's dsp sound chip supports Dolby THX Pro Logic II Surround and has 64 channels.  The Gx is newer than the Fx and also runs on a faster bus so the CPU performance is marginal.  No keyboard included here so my price is down to $180.  Yeah you get stuff like more RAM and actual hardrvie connectors (no hard drive though).  For almost $900 in savings, I'd make due just fine with just 40MB of ram and better graphics and sound and boot from a memory card(which is faster).  If I wanted to print something, I'd get a network printer and do it over LAN.  If I want HD storage, I can do that over LAN too mapped to my PC or to a dedicated LAN storage device.

Think about this.  The GBA player for the gamecube is just an interface to read a GBA cartrige and emulate it on the Gamecube.  It comes with a disc that communicates with the highspeed port and GBA player.  Nintendo sold it for $50 new.  The highspeed parallel port that it uses on the GC supports a transfer rate of 81MB/s.  If you can create a whole motherboard (A1), wouldn't it be much simpler to create an I/O device to give you all the ports (usb, IDE, etc...) and channel the information to the high speed port?  I'm sure it's alot cheaper than a complete motherboard (no cpu socket needed).

Yes continue to bash my ideas.  I know one of you has a 'business' to maintain and justify.

No I am not a hacker.  If I took a copy of Amiga OS and hacked it and made it run on a GC, I would be breaking the law.  It will not be me that tries to make this happen.  All I see is constant bugs and patches and delays and outdated technology being sold for over-inflated prices.

If Eyetech, Amiga and Hyperion got together and went to Nintendo and got a license.  This could be done quicker than the way things have been getting done.  Bash me because I won't do it.  I don't hold the licenses.  I'm not the OS developer.  I'm not a hardware engineer.  It's not my IP.  But I know enough about it to tell you that it is feasible.  I say it because I have no underlying interests to protect.

This could be done for the forth-coming Nintendo Revolution and you'd have modern hardware and whatever else you wanted.  Eyetech could make an add-on device to give you any ports you might be missing and it would still be cheaper than $1044...

If it wasn't feasible, would an A1 ever have been conceptualized?  Would any product ever exist?  Get real.  Don't hate me for stating the obvious faults with the road being travelled.  My road isn't perfect but it was just a suggestion about a low-cost alternative and suddenly I became the anti-christ.  Darn zealots...

[Louis Dias]

LOL, it's been 4 days and no bashing.  Pretty tough to argue with the potential to own a PPC Amiga for $155.  This has been exactly my point from the beginning.

Now you want a faster machine?  G5?
The forthcoming Nintendo Revolution.
It's going to have an enhanced IBM G5 (no speed has been finalized, Nintendo is waiting to hear exactly how fast a CELL processor the PS3 will have).  HDTV resolutions. True surround sound.  Built-in harddrive.  Built-in Wi-Fi.  MODERN ATI gpu.  (Also, this time it will definitely play DVDs out of the box)  New touchscreen controllers with gyros (supposedly the ports are also going to be backwards-compatible with current GC controllers for the hardcore gamer)...and it will all still cost well under $1000.

Now is the time to get a developer's license.  Wake up Hyperion.  If the HAL is truely there, this licensed product could pay for itself many times over just in the techie/nerd/hacker community.  I don't remember if OS4 is going to have a classic Amiga emulator but since 'retro' bundles are all the rage, you could bundle one with some of your own titles in order to offer an entertainment value for the product.

How many users on this formum already own and support a console (GC,PS2,XBOX)?  They burn money on those systems on a monthly basis.  The market is $25 billion annually with room to grow.  How many A1's will you derive profits from?  Maybe 10,000?  The poorest and lowest rated title on any console will sell atleast 50,000 copies and that's even if every reviewer says "don't buy this game."

Also, I'm not alienating Eyetech here either.  If they can get an A1 designed and built, they can get a licensed add-on device to a GC or Revolution that will give you your usb ports, serial ports, ide ports, etc...

One of the big criticisms I got was "we want to get away from custom hardware..."  So I guess the A1 is not considered "custom hardware"...  Where's the logic there?  It's exactly custom hardware.  Everything is custom hardware.  It's direct hardware banging on the APPLICATION-level that we need to get away from.  That's what an API is for.  Name me one desktop application that really needs 100% cpu utilization in order to run at all on today's modern hardware?  Unless you are modelling nuclear physics and the 'theory of relativity', going through an OS-compliant API for displaying graphics and sound will be just fine.  People, be realistic with your needs and expectations.

[Piru]

@lou_dias

Could you PLEASE edit that horrible 2km long url away? It makes the thread impossible to read.

LOL, it's been 4 days and no bashing. Pretty tough to argue with the potential to own a PPC Amiga for $155. This has been exactly my point from the beginning.

Or the point is that no-one cares and has given up arguing.

Now is the time to get a developer's license. Wake up Hyperion. If the HAL is truely there, this licensed product could pay for itself many times over just in the techie/nerd/hacker community.

If this truly is so good business, why don't you contact both Hyperion/Amiga, Inc and Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft and arrange the AmigaOS port?

Since it's going to pay many times over, I am sure you are happy to take the risk.

Time to put your money where your mouth is.

[Louis Dias]

I just saw the update to Amiga Inc.'s website.

Isn't it nice to see all the diffent platforms Amiga Anywhere is on?  Why not add on or 2 more to that list?

Yes yes, I know Amiga Anywhere isn't OS4...  The point is: It seems the new owners want to spread the brand.  Make the name AMIGA a brand people recognize once again.  Let's see the Amiga OS running on a popular consumer device.

[Piru]

@lou_dias

Isn't it nice to see all the diffent platforms Amiga Anywhere is on?

I haven't seen any, mostly because it really isn't anywhere. That's quite telling. It's rather Amiga Nowhere.

Why not add on or 2 more to that list?

Contact Amiga, Inc about it? Or ask the CEO Garry Hare about it tomorrow (sunday).

The point is: It seems the new owners want to spread the brand. Make the name AMIGA a brand people recognize once again. Let's see the Amiga OS running on a popular consumer device.

The problem here is that many of the old Amigans have real trouble seeing Amiga diminishing to something like this (casino slot machines is the best they can do for the new corporate website front page?), and the good name (well good in late 80s and early 90s) being trashed with such nonsense.

It didn't work year 2000, and it will not work 2005.

[Louis Dias]

Piru wrote:
@lou_dias

Could you PLEASE edit that horrible 2km long url away? It makes the thread impossible to read.

it's on a separate line and not between important text.  I'm not going to change it and make it a bad link.  Does this forum support anchor tags?  If so I can edit it the link.  Please let me know.

Or the point is that no-one cares and has given up arguing.

obviously you haven't and have you noticed the 'views' count of this thread.  Obviously there is interest in this.

If this truly is so good business, why don't you contact both Hyperion/Amiga, Inc and Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft and arrange the AmigaOS port?

Since it's going to pay many times over, I am sure you are happy to take the risk.

Time to put your money where your mount is.

I don't own a mount.  Anyway, I've stated many times who the key players are that can get this done.  I've stated that I don't have the money or time to invest in this.  Saying 'you do it if it's such a good idea' to me is lame already.  

People cried out that they wanted a hardware to call an Amiga again...  How many own an A1?  How many want to spend the money?  Put your money where your mouth(not mount) is and buy an A1.  I won't stop you.

Maybe Wayne could start a new poll?

What do you already own?:

A1
Gamcube
Both
Neither

I'll bet there are more Gamecube owners here than A1 owners.

and maybe another poll...

Within the next year, what will you buy?:

A1
Sony PS3
Microsoft Xbox 360
Nintendo Revolution
multiple systems
None of the above

I'll bet my life on the fact that there will be 10 times more future console owners than future A1 owners.  If Hyperion released OS4 on 1 of them then I'll bet that that is the one the people on this forum would be leaning towards to buy.  I just happen to be pushing for the Nintendo product.  That's just my personal preference.

I'm curious?  Who am I hurting by suggesting this?  Do you own stock in Eyetech or Forefront Tech?  OS4 for a console benefits the Amiga community as a whole and Hyperion and Amiga Inc.'s wallet.  It will spread the brand name as well.

[Piru]

it's on a separate line and not between important text. I'm not going to change it and make it a bad link.

Sigh. RTFM?

{url=http://www.longslinkssuck.com}suck{/url}

(replace {} with [])


Anyway, all I am saying is: If this is so good business, someone would have done it already. If someone else doesn't pick it up (for whatever reason), and you still think it's worth it, you do it and make a fortune with the business.

That's the best way to make your point. Arguing about it on a web forum isn't taking it anywhere.

[Framiga]

LOOOOUUUUUUU!!!!! PLease edit that URL!!!!

Cheers :-)

[ url=putTheUrlHere]Title[/url ]

(without spaces)

oops sorry Piru . . . 2 seconds too late ;-)

EDIT- that in italian time are 2 minutes . . .

[Louis Dias]

Piru wrote:
@lou_dias

I haven't seen any, mostly because it really isn't anywhere. That's quite telling. It's rather Amiga Nowhere.

Actually I have seen Amiga Anywhere at Staples or OfficeMax in the US but I forget what PDA it was for.  It was 2 years ago I think.  The DE line is not a product I am interested in...I was just emphasizing a point of putting the Amiga brand name on more platforms.

The problem here is that many of the old Amigans have real trouble seeing Amiga diminishing to something like this (casino slot machines is the best they can do for the new corporate website front page?), and the good name (well good in late 80s and early 90s) being trashed with such nonsense.

It didn't work year 2000, and it will not work 2005.

Yes, too many zealots.  I'm after the real thing, the future.

Linux generated a buzz with the techie population.  OS4 on a console (and other hardware) could do the same thing.  Many anti-MS people stay away from Apple because of the high $$$ investment in the hardware.  A console is a cheap solution.  I am for anything anti-MS but never the less, I still use a PC with Windows on it.  I keep using my copy of Win2000 on any machine I build.  I will not buy XP or any newer version.  I don't want to continue supporting MS.

If OS4 was released for cheap hardware (wasn't that one of the goals of the A1?), I would buy it.  For $49.99 I would definitely buy it.  Doesn't it currently cost somewhere around $125US?  When your target for sales is 10,000 copies the most, it would have to cost that much.  However, when you can sell closer to 100,000 copies with the potential for a million or more, it's easy to sell it for $49.99!

[Piru]

@lou_dias

If OS4 was released for cheap hardware (wasn't that one of the goals of the A1?), I would buy it. For $49.99 I would definitely buy it. Doesn't it currently cost somewhere around $125US? When your target for sales is 10,000 copies the most, it would have to cost that much. However, when you can sell closer to 100,000 copies with the potential for a million or more, it's easy to sell it for $49.99!

Well, that sounds good in theory, actually making it work is another thing. Until someone makes it work, I won't agree, however.

Feel free to prove your point.


PS. How about editing that long link?

[Louis Dias]

long link editted.  It didn't work so I just posted a link to nintendo's online store...

Piru wrote:
@lou_dias

If OS4 was released for cheap hardware (wasn't that one of the goals of the A1?), I would buy it. For $49.99 I would definitely buy it. Doesn't it currently cost somewhere around $125US? When your target for sales is 10,000 copies the most, it would have to cost that much. However, when you can sell closer to 100,000 copies with the potential for a million or more, it's easy to sell it for $49.99!

Well, that sounds good in theory, actually making it work is another thing. Until someone makes it work, I won't agree, however.

Feel free to prove your point.


PS. How about editing that long link?

Hey, wasn't it 'us' Amigans that cried out loudly enough and got a developer (Hyperion/Eyetech) interested in creating the A1 and OS4 in the first place.  If enough interest was shown by enough of us potential customers, they would do it.  I'm just not going to shell out $1000+ for an overpriced outdated hardware platform.  I'd get an IMac first if I wanted to get a non-MS platform at that 'entry-level' price.  A $49.99 price on hardware I already own has 'mass market' potential.  The A1 is not a mass market platform.  I can build a Linux box for $200.  That is the market Amiga can hit with a console port.  I consider OS4 a much better product than Linux (not very user-friendly) and I'd pay the $49.99 (vs free Linux or vs Windows).  Generating high sales is what will allow for continued support and development of the OS and platform as a whole.

Wasn't it forums like this where the noise was made?

[Louis Dias]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=7502

Interesting comment on the games industry and alludes to the fact of why I believe Nintendo would be open to having an OS run on their platform.

[adolescent]

lou_dias wrote:

Piru wrote:
Or the point is that no-one cares and has given up arguing.

obviously you haven't and have you noticed the 'views' count of this thread.  Obviously there is interest in this.

The topic title of "potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP" is misleading, resulting in hopefull people clicking it.  Plus, lots of "zealots" keep coming back to laugh at a Nintendo fanboy's ramblings.

Had you called the thread "OS4 on Gamecube" things would probably be different.

[Louis Dias]

adolescent wrote:
The topic title of "potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP" is misleading, resulting in hopefull people clicking it.  Plus, lots of "zealots" keep coming back to laugh at a Nintendo fanboy's ramblings.

Had you called the thread "OS4 on Gamecube" things would probably be different.

What do you find misleading about a PPC hardware platform that could run Amiga OS and only costs $155?

What is misleading is 2 1/2 years ago saying something is 95% done...and promising a low-cost motherboard that costs $1044 with a $15 video card.  The current A1 is late 90's technology.  Modern hardware indeed.  The Amiga started as a console and should return to it's roots with pride not the shame this thread has treated it with.  My CD32 was a console I expanded into a computer.  Should I be ashamed?  Was it any less an Amiga?

The SX-1 and and SX32 were add-ons that filled in the missing pieces.  Things like this can still be done today. I only see a couple of people laughing.  I think most are crying at the plain truths I have stated.  The truth hurts and not many care to discuss it.

You can call me a Nintendo fanboy.  Atleast I'm not a blind zealot praying and waitng for overpriced outdated technology.  Do you own an A1?  Are you simply justifying your foolhardy purchase by bashing me like a heretic?  If not, do you even plan on buying one?  Why or why not?  Please enlighten us.