New (?) Mini mac pics

[1337DOG]

@Hammer

Refer to "Universal PnP".

Is that the message Windows gives you when you try to connect to a wireless network the first time? :-D



I know Windows XP is not bad but in many ways Mac OS X is better. This Mini thing is not meant to sell to someone who is satisfied with MS.

This is a $500+ iMovie studio or Final Cut studio or something to write a Word document on, surf the net, open email attachments free of concerns.

[Hammer]

AppleWorks is a world ahead of MS Works

Since this PC vendor vs PC vendor i.e. factor in HP's "MS Works Suite 2005" (includes MS Word 2002).

Microsoft Works Suite 2005
_MS Word 2002
_MS Encarta Encylopedia Standard 2005
_MS Works 8.0 which includes Spreadsheet, Database, _Calender, Address Book
_MS Money
_MS Photo Premium 10
_Microsoft AutoRoute 2005

HP's add-ons(HP's SR1000Z series)
_Apple iTunes
_RealPlayer
_InterVideo® WinDVD® 5 player (in models with DVD drive)
_Intervideo® WinDVD Creator (in models with DVD writers)
_RecordNow (in models with CD writers or DVD writers)
_Intuit Quicken New User's Edition 2005
_Adobe® Acrobat Reader 6.0
_Adobe® Photoshop Album STE
_Adobe® Photoshop Album Starter Edition
_Compaq Organize
_Microsoft® Software Jukebox
_WildTangent GameChannel

Config shop to match Mac-mini target with
_MS Windows XP Pro SP2
_AMD Sempr0n 3000+ @ 2.0Ghz
_256MB DDR PC2700
_40 GB UDMA HD
_CD-RW/DRD-ROM Combo (48x32x16x48x)
_9 in 1 Card Reader, 3 USB, + Front Audio Ports (can't deselect)
_Compaq Keyboard & Scroller Mouse (can't deselect)
_Microsoft(R) Works Suite 2005 includes Word 2002

I/O ports
_USB 2.0: Six (2 front and 4 back)
_FireWire (IEEE 1394): Two (1 front and 1 back)
_Headphone: One (front)
_Microphone: Two (1 front and 1 back)*
_Line in: Two (one front, one back)* Parallel: One (back)
_Serial: One (back)
_PS/2 Keyboard: One (back)
_PS/2 Mouse: One (back)
_VGA: One (back)**
_Line-out : One (back)*

Results: USD $479.99

In terms of general performance, AMD Sempr0n 3000+ pretty much kills its Intel Celeron counterpart.

AMD vs Intel PC desktop market share refer to
http://www.itfacts.biz/index.php?id=P1534

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PS I spent my $499 today, but not on a Mac Mini.. I bought an AMD64 3000+ cpu with 512MB DDR memory, A DVD burner, a sleak black tower case with a 400 watt power supply. It has 8 speaker AC97 audio, built in LAN, Firewire, USB 2.0 SATA, IDE, IDE/SATA RAID and a Geforce FX 5900 ultra.. It's also BYOKMD (Bring your own keyboard mouse display) and it hooks right into my HDTV.. I will race anyone with a Mac Mini, or a G4 AmigaOne any day with this unit.. And I have Windows XP 64 bit edition installed by the way..
 

What build of XP64 are you using I have 1069 here, I'm just waiting for my Motherboard to arrive (due on Monday!) and I plan to install it! :-D

[Hammer]

1337DOG wrote:
@Hammer

Refer to "Universal PnP".

Is that the message Windows gives you when you try to connect to a wireless network the first time? :-D

UPnP supports zero-configuration networking and automatic discovery.

[1337DOG]

by Hammer on 2005/1/13 4:56:08
 

UPnP supports zero-configuration networking and automatic discovery.

But does it "Just Work"? Have you tried it?

[AmiXDel]

only $14 a month...

Also if you put your own RAM in...

...guess what? You void the freaking warrenty. So basically Apple wants you to spend $320 extra on $100 RAM. On the other hand you can get the 512 upgrade for pretty cheap, use that for a while, then upgrade later when you are secure that your mini is not going to break down.


 GFX chipset and RAM is NOT upgradable upon order.

 TV Adaptor only $20 extra.

 Student discount is only $20 off (LAME).

 All units sold, you will not get one on the 22nd, but it will be around up to 4 weeks later.

 Think that's all.


See, now if Amiga would just die, then KMOS or who ever could then take Amiga OS, port it to these, and we would not need the damn memory upgrade, but no Amiga must be owned by some idiots who are once again going to kill the platform by not allowing the OS to run on affordable hardware for a change.

You're missing the point.  The mac Mini isn't intended for geeks who worry about opening their hardware and expanding it.  It's aimed at moms and pops who want their computer to "just work".  If you want more, buy more than the mac mini.  If, like me, the mac mini meets all your needs, go for it.  

Even though I tend to like Windows XP, $499, or in my case $744 (1.42 version with 512mb) is a hell of a lot more enticing to be rid of Windows than their earlier and much more expensive options.  Remember, I'm one of the adult crowd that just doesn't enjoy futzing with computers to GET them to work, so before someone states what they think is the obvious, Linux is not for me.

Sorry, but given the choice, there's no way in hell I (and I bet most) will spend $600 or more on a MOTHERBOARD with the same general specs just to run the unsupported AmigaOS.

Like I said, it's not my intention to piss people off here.  I'm just stating what I think of as facts, but IMHO if Hyperion hopes to survive, they'd better rethink the whole proprietary hardware thing and scuttle Eyetech.

Wayne

[HopperJF]

1337DOG wrote:

Yes you could build your own decent PC, and you will, but millions won't want to. On the software side there would be no comparison to the shear number of high quality applications you get with the Mac. Many Windows users are looking for greener pastures and Mac OS X is a delight. Many just want to hook thier relatives up with something that won't require so many tech support calls. I've been checking many PC Tech boards for reaction on this. The response is often "no more recommending Dell".

You Amigans should be happy about this for more reasons than one. Because by solidifying an alternative platform you not only have one more non MS choice but also platform dependencies in things like the Web and file formats will be kept to a minimum allowing the future entry of further alternative platforms.

And at last, someone manages to unleash the truth and some sense upon the ney-sayers.

[HopperJF]

Like I said, it's not my intention to piss people off here.  I'm just stating what I think of as facts, but IMHO if Hyperion hopes to survive, they'd better rethink the whole proprietary hardware thing and scuttle Eyetech.

Wayne

I have felt this way all along, and many people are coming to realise that, thanks to this machine.

[MarkTime]

You Amigans should be happy about this for more reasons than one. Because by solidifying an alternative platform you not only have one more non MS choice but also platform dependencies in things like the Web and file formats will be kept to a minimum allowing the future entry of further alternative platforms.

oh, well, you know, you can see the positive side of anything, if you try hard enough!

But, I would say that it's the proliferation of Firefox and openoffice.org that are ahead of the curve in promoting standards, right now, even a moderately successful alternative web browser or file format that runs on the windows platform, is more of a concern for the developer than if it runs on the Mac platform...its just sheer numbers.

Just as iTunes is relevant because it runs on Windows, and 98% of all quicktime downloads are done by windows users, according to apple.

so, I mean, quite frankly, the mac mini is a great thing that will help with standards proliferation, but then again, the real work in that arena, is, usually always fought on the windows platform itself, even by the most ardent of non-windows companies (like apple)

anyway...I hate to be a naysayer, but I wouldn't hang my hat on a proliferation of standards to help the Amiga in anyway...The amiga isn't positioned to take advantage of this trend, as the amiga isn't a platform based on modern web or file format standards anyway.

I have felt this way all along, and many people are coming to realise that, thanks to this machine.

Let me reiterate something here.  I think Hyperion will be able to squeak by selling AmigaOS on the AmigaOne to dedicated, hardcore Amiga geeks.  I also think that -- if he's able to get the price down severely -- Alan (and Genesi) will be able to sell a few motherboards to Linux geeks.  The game however has just changed dramatically and let's face it.  There are only so many Amiga geeks left, most of which have already bought their choice of platform.  

Despite it's apparently limited expandability INSIDE THE BOX, the Linux geeks interested in running PPC-based Linux would run YDL on the Mac Mini before they'd go out of their way to spend MUCH more on pretty much an identically specced motherboard.

Besides, both the AmigaOne and Pegasos are just as non-expandable where the CPU is concerned.  You can't plop a  higher speed CPU into either without modifying it.  There's no indication anywhere that the CPU in the mac mini ISN'T socketed, since there are two different ones, $100 apart.  

That leaves the video card support the ONLY part of the Mac Mini that's really debatable.  Not sure that matters either, because if they wanted to, Apple COULD do upgrade plans as needed later.

Wayne

{edit: later thought...  What if the Video chip on the mac mini were flashable, meaning it could be upgraded to higher functionality and reallocate memory as needed?}

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{edit: later thought... What if the Video chip on the mac mini were flashable, meaning it could be upgraded to higher functionality and reallocate memory as needed?}

You must know that's not actually possible... right?

You must know that's not actually possible... right?

No.  Remember, I've long-since outgrown my technogeek phase, so I'm not at all sure why it wouldn't be possible.  Don't bore me with technical reasons, because I don't really care.  It was just a thought, and considering my lack of knowledge in that area, I'm fully willing to accept "it's not possible" as an answer  

:-)

Whereas computing is concerned, I very much feel like Danny Glover... "I'm gettin too old for this s*it".  I just want a computer that's supported (even if not to the level of Windows) and that "just works".  I do e-mail, web work, and a few games.  The Mac Mini pretty much should fit the bill for me.  Your mileage may vary.

Wayne

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Wayne wrote:

You must know that's not actually possible... right?

No.  Remember, I've long-since outgrown my technogeek phase, so I'm not at all sure why it wouldn't be possible.  Don't bore me with technical reasons, because I don't really care.  It was just a thought, and considering my lack of knowledge in that area, I'm fully willing to accept "it's not possible" as an answer  

:-)

Whereas computing is concerned, I very much feel like Danny Glover... "I'm gettin too old for this s*it".  I just want a computer that's supported (even if not to the level of Windows) and that "just works".  I do e-mail, web work, and a few games.  The Mac Mini pretty much should fit the bill for me.  Your mileage may vary.

Wayne

Shame, I though you might have stumbled upon a legal, cheap and plentiful supply of safe halucinagenic compounds which you were willing to share :-D

[Holley]

It looks like the hardware is just about exactly what the new MicroA1s should be - if OS4 was made available for it it would be a dream come true.  I have my A3000 for messing around on, getting one of these would just be for serious work ... it's so tempting!

ps. I've always wanted a slot-loading CD drive, I still think my car CD player is neat :-D

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Holley wrote:
It looks like the hardware is just about exactly what the new MicroA1s should be - if OS4 was made available for it it would be a dream come true.  I have my A3000 for messing around on, getting one of these would just be for serious work ... it's so tempting!

ps. I've always wanted a slot-loading CD drive, I still think my car CD player is neat :-D

Well, I gues we'll just have to plop AROS on there and show 'em how it's done :-D