MorphOS has been killed from a grassy knoll

[KennyR]

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[Karlos]

@Kenny

If it were the case that all MOS development ceased, OS4 matured to the level of compatibility (perhaps including a MOS kernel wrapper type thingy for compatibility even with MOS native stuff) *and* a liscenced OS4 port became available for the pegasos (OK, these are big ifs, but for sake of argument), would you consider getting it?

I guess what I mean is, in the absence of an amiga-like alternative (no offence to the AROS folks there), what would not supporting it achieve for the existing community?

[Bobsonsirjonny]

Im working on something with some people which should help further cross development, some of the people are blue. All your assumptions can be broken down. There is a difference between users and companies - it would do you no harm at all if you'd learn to tell the difference.


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[Karlos]

Easy now, fellers. It's a feckin computer system, not your respective missus' your'e getting upset over.

[Bobsonsirjonny]

Im not upset at all - I actually find the whole situation quite funny :-)

[KennyR]

Karlos wrote:
If it were the case that all MOS development ceased, OS4 matured to the level of compatibility (perhaps including a MOS kernel wrapper type thingy for compatibility even with MOS native stuff) *and* a liscenced OS4 port became available for the pegasos (OK, these are big ifs, but for sake of argument), would you consider getting it?

If MOS development were to cease, no, I would not consider OS4. I waited too long for it already, and I've come dislike it's direction, implementation, and especially its fanbase. More importantly, I'm not interested in supporting KMOS/AmigaInc/whoever, because they've given me absolutely no reason to and plenty of reasons not to.

MOS is my last attempt at recapturing some element of 80s and early 90s computing fun. If it fails, I'll just give up computing for good and take another hobby, maybe keep a machine for IRC and browsing, but nothing else. But that's me finished, no more hardware, no more software. I'm sick to the end.

[Cyberus]

Karlos wrote:
Easy now, fellers. It's a feckin computer system, not your respective missus' your'e getting upset over.

Yes!
Which is exactly what I believe Wilse, TheMagicM and I were getting at earlier in this thread; I alluded to the fact that people were getting too emotional about it all...

[KennyR]

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Stay on topic!

[Lando]

Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
Well actually we have just been discussing it on IRC - 2nd hand pegs making cheap OS4 boxes :-)

Why? Because we would be fools to look a gift horse in the mouth.

If OS4 did run on the Pegasos, and users did start to pick up pegs in large numbers, it would also mean the end of Eyetech.  The OS4 crowd is their only market; they have had no success selling boards to run Linux due to the hardware problems, the high price, and the availability of better / lower-priced alternatives.

If Eyetech did go out of business, is this something that current OS4 users would feel comfortable with?

[Bobsonsirjonny]

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Stay on Topic! Don't get Personal.

[minator]

ou'll probably find that he's as set in his ways as I am, as are most OS4 and MOS users. See what I mean?

I think there is a definite group on both sides that will not touch the other option come hell or high water.  However I don't think this is "most users" on either side.

I for one can't see MorphOS being killed.  At worst it could fork into two but I consider that highly unlikely (it may even be legally impssible).  Even if MorphOS and Genesi were to part ways I expect MorphOS would continue but if that were the case I can't see how it would go on as anything other than a hobbiest project.

Some seem to think Genesi want to get rid of MorphOS but this is completely untrue (admittedly this could have changed in the last week).  Genesi wanted to do big things with MorphOS and believe it has great promise, otherwise they wouldn't have put in so much money into paying for marketing and development - none of which they have recouped to date.

However I can't really see the two parting company, but what we may see is certain parts being removed and needing to be replaced.

[TheMagicM]

KennyR & Bobsonsirjonny:  

If you two cant keep it from getting personal, dont bother posting again.

[Karlos]

@KennyR

Of course that's up to you, although I cant help thinking you have some strange issues there. I think the linux fanbase are a bunch of weirdos (thats the better end too), but it doesn't stop me tinkering with linux.

I don't give a monkeys for Genesi or Amiga Inc, but I don't prejudice MOS or OS4 based on who set them in motion or their existing supporters.

In general, we need more fellers like Wilse I reckon :-)

[Bobsonsirjonny]

Lando wrote:

Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
Well actually we have just been discussing it on IRC - 2nd hand pegs making cheap OS4 boxes :-)

Why? Because we would be fools to look a gift horse in the mouth.

If OS4 did run on the Pegasos, and users did start to pick up pegs in large numbers, it would also mean the end of Eyetech.  The OS4 crowd is their only market; they have had no success selling boards to run Linux due to the hardware problems, the high price, and the availability of better / lower-priced alternatives.

If Eyetech did go out of business, is this something that current OS4 users would feel comfortable with?

I doubt Eyetech would go out of business, Alan Redhouse is a very clever man, and no doubt has interests in many other areas. Plus there is a distinct difference in terms of size, power and suitability of use between the ua1i and the Pegasos 2. One suits the industrial, one the desktop.

[Bobsonsirjonny]

Karlos wrote:
@KennyR

Of course that's up to you, although I cant help thinking you have some strange issues there. I think the linux fanbase are a bunch of weirdos (thats the better end too), but it doesn't stop me tinkering with linux.

I don't give a monkeys for Genesi or Amiga Inc, but I don't prejudice MOS or OS4 based on who set them in motion or their existing supporters.

In general, we need more fellers like Wilse I reckon :-)

Yeah, I like Wilse :-)

[KennyR]

@bobson

Can't help but feel you're the pot calling the kettle black here. Let's drop the petty name calling for a moment and be civil. We're both passionate about the OS we chose. We both made compromises as to certain things for this OS. Trying to trivialise my opinion just opens you up to the same trivialisation of yours. And you can spout your own vitreol too, I've seen you do it. And admit it: you wouldn't support Genesi in any way until hell froze over. I feel the same away about KMOS, and to a lesser extent Hyperion (although I'd buy their games, and I bought all their previous ones.) Where I have WrongPlanet, you have AmigaWorld - both bitterly controversial sites to those who don't appreciate them. We're not really all that different, you know.

But the fact that we're just not going to disagree should be ample evidence for anyone that the MOS and OS4 sides are just too far away from any kind of understanding. They *are* just computers, but that really doesn't make much difference. Too much water has gone under the bridge. While some users might consider it, most won't.