MorphOS has been killed from a grassy knoll

@Wilse,

Didn't mean to leave anyone out.  I agree that both teams have done a great job with their respective jobs.  It's just too bad they don't get along.

Wayne

[Bobsonsirjonny]

KennyR wrote:

bloodline wrote:
All is not lost, should MOS be "dumped", then owners of the Pegasos boards are welcome to use AROS, and bring AROS up to spec on the PPC :-)

Not likely I'm afraid, bloodline: we MOS users wouldn't find AROS very useful without integrated legacy 68k emulation. We're already spoilt being able to run 68k, PUP, WOS, and even now simple OS4 apps, many can't see the point in downgrading functionality. If the worst happens, most likely they'll either sell their Pegasos or move to Linux. Not many will go the OS4 route, for sure.

Well if they sell their pegs thats more OS 4 users. It strikes me as a case of cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. Same goes for developers who refuse to port to either platform - at the end of the day they are only loosing sales. Not hurting anyone but themselves. Some may buy 2nd hand pegs for linux, but I doubt it as I cant see second hand pegs going cheaper than cheaper and new X86 boxes.

[KennyR]

Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
Well if they sell their pegs thats more OS 4 users. It strikes me as a case of cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. Same goes for developers who refuse to port to either platform - at the end of the day they are only loosing sales. Not hurting anyone but themselves.

For most MorphOS users, supporting Eyetech, Amiga Inc, or Hyperion in any way is not an option. Better to let the community to die than reward the people who split it.

[Karlos]

Im sure thats what many people on the other side of the fence think of BBRV too :-/

What would happen if the MOS developers got together with the AROS team? Is that a possibility?

Conspirator wrote:
Found this in my snooping. 10 to 1 odds that BBRV will say that it's not only David Gerber's fault that he didn't get paid, but David Gerber's fault for killing MorphOS. Note the date in the URL of 11/23.

http://www.genesi.lu/press.php?date=20041123

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Frankfurt, Germany -- Genesi announced today that it would no longer directly support third party or external MorphOS development. "We will continue to develop MorphOS internally for embedded markets and specific projects using the 1.4 release," stated Gerald Carda, CTO of Genesi.
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(Interestingly, "the word" around IRC-land is that BBRV is using David as an excuse to dump MorphOS and has already entered talks with HYPErion to put AmigaOS on the Pegasos).

MorphOS Rulz!

-C

Found this link on ann.lu
http://bigfoot.morphos.net/test/pressrelease_20041123.html

I find it amusing, others might not.

[TheMagicM]

For most MorphOS users, supporting Eyetech, Amiga Inc, or Hyperion in any way is not an option. Better to let the community to die than reward the people who split it.

I disagree.   I am "pro-MOS",  (NOT Pro-Pegasos..2 different things).  If MOS devel said "we're done..no more MOS" (meaning, NOTHING, NADA), then I would 100% support Hyperion.  Its only a matter of time till OS4 catches up to MOS (assuming MOS development stops completely).  And their desktop (I dont know what they call it), looks pretty damn good!

[KennyR]

Wilse wrote:
What would happen if the MOS developers got together with the AROS team? Is that a possibility?

It's a possibility that some (ex-)MorphOS core developers might contribute to AROS, but we can all forget adding lots of MOS code to it. Genesi, contrary to my statements some days back, own too much of it.

But what would be the point anyway? AROS is interesting from an intellectual point of view, but it's ability to run on cheap, powerful hardware means nothing to most if you don't actually have anything to run on it.

[KennyR]

TheMagicM wrote:
I disagree. I am "pro-MOS", (NOT Pro-Pegasos..2 different things). If MOS devel said "we're done..no more MOS" (meaning, NOTHING, NADA), then I would 100% support Hyperion.

Maybe one day I should send you an archive of Ben Hermans and Steffen Häuser quotes from ANN. I wonder if you'd support them after reading some of it.

[Karlos]

You don't always need the codebase, just the knowledge and the time and effort to reproduce the stuff you cant directly use (not talking reverse engineering or anything dodgy, just creating compatible API's).

My actual thought was rewriting the "bits you cant use cause genesi owns them" around AROS and using that to create some sort of OpenMOS....?

[Wilse]

KennyR wrote:

For most MorphOS users, supporting Eyetech, Amiga Inc, or Hyperion in any way is not an option.

Beg to differ. Both 'sides' have been guilty of various damaging acts. My main concern is that I have a computing platform I like. Both MOS and OS4 provide that. Not using something you would enjoy using, simply because you don't think the people who made it are nice enough, seems silly to me in this instance.

I will continue to use MOS, as I like it very much. I predict I will be using OS4 more and more for the same reason.

[Bobsonsirjonny]

Karlos wrote:
You don't always need the codebase, just the knowledge and the time and effort to reproduce the stuff you cant directly use (not talking reverse engineering or anything dodgy, just creating compatible API's).

My actual thought was rewriting the "bits you cant use cause genesi owns them" around AROS and using that to create some sort of OpenMOS....?

And the MOS team are very good at creating compatable API's

[KennyR]

Wilse wrote:
Not using something you would enjoy using, simply because you don't think the people who made it are nice enough, seems silly to me in this instance.

Unfortunately wilse, you're in the minority. If OS4 died tomorrow, I doubt MOS's ranks would be swelled by ex-OS4 users. If MOS dies, there will be no mass exodus to help the OS4 side. The divide between them is just too deep and bitter. It'll never be healed.

[Wilse]

@Kenny:

That's a shame and frankly pathetic. If we use  moral grounds as a reason to boycott everyday items, we would hardly be able to use anything.

If that really is the case, they should grow up.

[Cyberus]

I see where you're coming from kenny, but I think there are quite a few people who are more concerned with having a useable OS that they are comfortable with and enjoy, than getting caught up in the 'politics' of the situation.

Of course, you're probably in a better position to gauge the emotions of the people on the MOS side, for example. But at the same time, I think a lot of this 'blue' and 'red' business is overblown.

And without meaning to point these remarks at anyone in particular, I think there are many of us who find the whole 'red' and 'blue' thing as futile and misguided as you view patriotism, for example.

Regards

[Cyberus]

Wilse wrote:
@Kenny:

That's a shame and frankly pathetic. If we use  moral grounds as a reason to boycott everyday items, we would hardly be able to use anything.

If that really is the case, they should grow up.

@ Wilse
hear hear
Imagine explaining this situation to a 'layman', they'd proably find the whole situation preposterous.
All this fuss over a couple of bloody computers!

It's like two old friends who won't speak to each other anymore, because of some silly incident that happened.

[TheMagicM]

The divide between them is just too deep and bitter. It'll never be healed.

Again, I disagree.  Time heals all.  And why would OS4 die anyway?  Seems like out of all of this..they're still afloat and coding despite what all went on w/BBRV vs. AI.