Pegasos or A1?

I am in a bit of a dilemma (and im sure im not alone)....

Which should i go for? A1 or Pegasos.

Up until WOASE last year i was firmly entrenched in the A1 camp, saving to buy an A1 (I am also a member of the 'club').

I saw Pegasos, and MorphOS at the show and was very impressed. Gensi (Then Thendic) had a fantastic and professional presence at the show and i Like the board very much, a lot smaller than the A1 boards and i like the fact that if i buy the G3-600 now, i can easily upgrade by swapping the cpu module unlike the A1 G3-SE (Yes, I know a 75% trade-in has been offered for people upgrading from A1-SE to A1-XE)

Im also put off by the price difference, the A1 G3-SE being over £100UKP more than Pegasos.

The other thing is that MorphOS is here right now, albeit in a somewhat incomplete form.

I think that the feature list of AmigaOS4 is very impressive and *IF* it comes out will blow MorphOS away. But it would be nice to think that some day an agreement could be reached in which Genesi will be granted a License to port AmigaOS4 to Pegasos.

I cant help feeling that Genesi have got it together a lot better than Amiga, an whilst I am a big Amiga fan im not sure i can justify the extra cost of the A1 just to get the Amiga name.

I appreciate that with this it post may seem like i've made my mind up but i truly havent. I would like to hear the views of you guys. What do people who have these machines already think?

I suggest you wait for OS4, and then compare the two.

No since in rushing to morphos only to find that you really should have waited.

Then again, maybe OS4 won't be as good as expected.

Tough choice huh?

I'd personally wait though.

Then you won't have to listen to all the hype about one or the other, but you can see with your own eyes which suits you better.

[Step]

Basically, if you want to be sure that you will be able to run OS 4 (if, when, whatever) then you will have to go for the A1s, simple as that.

There is nothing wrong with them, mine (G3-SE) works fine, nothing wrong with the pegs either but one does not know if they ever will be able to run OS 4 and thats what i am waiting for anyway...

[Kay]

I would go for the A1. I think AmigaOS4 will be better than MOS (based on their respective featurelists and teams for each product), and considering the current relationship between Genesi an Amiga, I don't think AOS for Pegasos is coming anytime soon. Furthermore, I believe that AmigaOS has a better chance of survival than MOS.

The Pegasos looks nice, and it is more attractively priced, but without AmigaOS, I would not invest money in it.

Just my opinion, hope I haven't offended anybody too much. :-)

Kay

[downix]

@Kay

You know, based the message I read the other day, I had a question for you, as you mentioned feature lists again as a reason to choose:

What particular elements of the AOS feature list did you like verses the MOS feature list, as in what did AOS offer you in that list that MOS didn't?  Just curious about specifics here.

[JoannaK]

If you are not in hurry I'd suggest you to wait some time to see where they are going. But not forever in case 'something finally happens'. There have been so many promices and so many delays (with lame excuses) that some day each of us muct make decision what to do with those.

There are no point ordering system parts early either. All other parts (besides OS and Motherboard) are standard parts, so their prices will come down while waiting those main components of new system. I know it's a nice way to 'show dedication' to system, but is mostly waste of money ...

[Kay]

> What particular elements of the AOS feature list did you like verses the MOS feature list, as
> in what did AOS offer you in that list that MOS didn't?

Well, it's been a while since I formed that opinion, and I can't be arsed to re-read both lists just to give a detailed defense of it to a Thendic employee. Still, I think I can give a few keywords. Good stuff in AOS:
-Warp3d NOVA
-P96 (as opposed to CGX)
-That new TCP/IP stack ("Roadshow"?)
-Reaction rather than MUI
-VAA (Virtual Addressing Architecture, which could be used for one of my dream features: transparent AGA emulation (I asked HJF about this))
-Advanced AmiDock

Anyway, there might be more, this is just what I could pull out of the hat right now. Bottom line for me anyway, is that I felt more impressed after reading the AOS list than I did after reading the MOS list.

> Just curious about specifics here.

Yeah, I'm sure curiousity is your primary motivation...;-)

Kay

Heh...

No doubt.

[Turrican]

I would go straight for the Pegasos (as a mater of fact I am going very soon).

It is here and now, it has a better design, it keeps combatibility with most of the classic Amiga applications, it is based on a new and much better and modern technology (MorphOS , Quark) while maintanes the classic Amiga look and feel.

As for the people behind it, based on facts, Genesi not only delivered but they seem to handle the whole thing much more profesionally than their competitors (both 3 of them).
More than that, I believe that they know  the Amiga platform much better than AInc, Eyetech and Hyperion together because they have been in the Amiga buisnes way more.

Based on facts again, I don't like Amiga Inc., their continues lies,  their way of handling the situation and most importantly I don't like their Amiga "master plan" (AmigaDE, AA, Microsoft relations, etc.).

Generally, I like Pegasos and MorphOS much more than AmigaLinux or AmigaNowhere in ANY aspect, plus  I find Genesi *more* Amiga than Amiga Inc.

My opinion always...

Turrican

PS. Oh and MorphOS looks a thousand times more beatifull than the crapy AmigaOS 4 pictures till now  :-D

Speaking of HYPE!

Wow!!!

[Alkemyst]

@Droid  just wait & see when both are here before buying.

At least then you will not be upset with your choice.

For some ppl its the OS wich each will run that is the decider.

Get the OS you want but not the Hardware.
Get the Hardware you want but the OS.

Thats just the way things turn out alot of the time.

@Downix Your running a Huge risk at running this thread way oftopic.

this thread is to reply to the poster of the thread not a feature list debate.

Kay gave his reason for waiting thats all.

All do we all have to explain & justify our reasons for waiting to you.

You should start a new thread.

& then i would not have to stumble on such debates.
 

[downix]

@alkemyst

You notice I didn't respond to Kay's comments, nor critique them nor any of that, even tho there were opening for it.  I am not going to debate him here, just asked a simple and direct question in order to clarify things that related to the topic.  In fact, bringing this up further can tear this thread off-topic.

To get things back onto topic, pick the hardware you like the best.  In my experience, that's the Pegasos (and I'm not saying that just because I work for Genesi.  I wouldn't work for them if I didn't like their products).  The Teron boards just were difficult to work with, hard to fit, and had annoying features I just didn't like, such as IDE port placement and the fact that the CPU card sits on top of the northbridge (which can block airflow).

[Alkemyst]

In fact, bringing this up further can tear this thread off-topic.

But if you did not bring it up the risk in the first place then i would not have said anything.

That my whole point.
Dont leave things open to IT.

Me & many other are getting fedup with Amiga.org turnning into Ann.

Is it to much for me to want to read a thread wich  is on topic like they used to be years ago.

You notice that some threads a get very few viewings & that cos ppl are not really intrested in that topic from the outset.

Last posting about this on this thread.

 
 If you cant Take The ReAction Then Dont Start The Action.
 


 

[Targhan]

@Alkemyst:

Your running Huge risk at running this thread way oftopic.

Off topic where?  I'm sorry, if the topic had been "Pegasos or Teron" then, yes his comments would have been "off topic."

However, the topic is A1, which is a specific implimentation of a Teron for AmigaOS 4.0, and the A1's sole reason for existance. Also, the original poster did cite the "feature lists" as a part of his decision making process.  By two facts of the matter, Downix was on topic.  He may have motives beyond just curiosity, but he hasn't crossed any lines.  

Please cease attempts to start a flame war.

@Downix: Word your questions a bit more carefully.  It's not just what you say, but how you say it.



 

[anarchic_teapot]

Droid wrote:
 i can easily upgrade by swapping the cpu module unlike the A1 G3-SE (Yes, I know a 75% trade-in has been offered for people upgrading from A1-SE to A1-XE)

Im also put off by the price difference, the A1 G3-SE being over £100UKP more than Pegasos.

The A1-G3SE is no longer on offer: the G3XE (with the CPU module and running at 800 MHz) is now the bottom of the range machine.

I cant help feeling that Genesi have got it together a lot better than Amiga, an whilst I am a big Amiga fan im not sure i can justify the extra cost of the A1 just to get the Amiga name.

It might be worthwhile thinking about what you really want here. Buying an AmigaOne is not just buying the Amiga name, you are also making a choice of OS. Which do you really want, bearing in mind that while both will retain some backward compatibility with 68K apps (using different methods), the PPC apps for one platform won't run on the other; at least until such time as the OS is legally and officially ported (no racism here, I'm still referring to both AOS and MOS)?

You might also want to look at the companies behind the products (both high risk products, as they're selling to niche  markets). Who are their partners, if any? Do you trust them? Can you see - over and above the Amiga fanaticism we all proudly display ;-) - a real future for the product? The bigger the market, the more likely it is that the price will drop and software support increase.

Are you prepared to betatest both hardware and software? That's the current situation with the Pegasos.

Are you prepared to play around with Linux while waiting for AOS4? That's the current situation with the AmigaOne, but at least it does have 2 Linux distros working and at least one more on the way: I've just learnt that there are still serious problems with the Linux kernel on the Pegasos.

And, possibly most important of all: can you really afford one right now?

I've probably put you off both, more fool me, but waiting just a little longer to decide won't hurt. Try to weigh the pros and cons of each as objectively as possible, and leave the cash in a savings account until you're happy with your choice.