Pegasos or A1?

[anarchic_teapot]

Droid wrote:
 i can easily upgrade by swapping the cpu module unlike the A1 G3-SE (Yes, I know a 75% trade-in has been offered for people upgrading from A1-SE to A1-XE)

Im also put off by the price difference, the A1 G3-SE being over £100UKP more than Pegasos.

The A1-G3SE is no longer on offer: the G3XE (with the CPU module and running at 800 MHz) is now the bottom of the range machine.

I cant help feeling that Genesi have got it together a lot better than Amiga, an whilst I am a big Amiga fan im not sure i can justify the extra cost of the A1 just to get the Amiga name.

It might be worthwhile thinking about what you really want here. Buying an AmigaOne is not just buying the Amiga name, you are also making a choice of OS. Which do you really want, bearing in mind that while both will retain some backward compatibility with 68K apps (using different methods), the PPC apps for one platform won't run on the other; at least until such time as the OS is legally and officially ported (no racism here, I'm still referring to both AOS and MOS)?

You might also want to look at the companies behind the products (both high risk products, as they're selling to niche  markets). Who are their partners, if any? Do you trust them? Can you see - over and above the Amiga fanaticism we all proudly display ;-) - a real future for the product? The bigger the market, the more likely it is that the price will drop and software support increase.

Are you prepared to betatest both hardware and software? That's the current situation with the Pegasos.

Are you prepared to play around with Linux while waiting for AOS4? That's the current situation with the AmigaOne, but at least it does have 2 Linux distros working and at least one more on the way: I've just learnt that there are still serious problems with the Linux kernel on the Pegasos.

And, possibly most important of all: can you really afford one right now?

I've probably put you off both, more fool me, but waiting just a little longer to decide won't hurt. Try to weigh the pros and cons of each as objectively as possible, and leave the cash in a savings account until you're happy with your choice.

[DaveP]

@anarchic_teapot

Be fair, you aren't beta-testing the Pegasos board
anymore, it is pretty solid by all accounts. MorphOS
has work to be done sure.

If I am remembering right Pegasos has at least
two linux distros working.

I've just learnt that there are still serious problems with the Linux kernel on the Pegasos.

Lest I start the anti-Fud machine care to provide
a link to tha tor some kind of technical explanation
that existing Pegasos owners can verify?

[bbrv]

Hi Rose, thanks for bringing up the price issue!  ;-)
 
We will be offering the next batch of boards through the channels we have used in the past AND through the Phoenix Developer Consortium.  The price for Phoenix members who are participating in the quasi-sourceforge relationship with Genesi is $299 for the Pegasos mainboard with CPU.

The new cases will come only with the Pegasos configured according to a certain specification (we had to "bend" a few things to get everything in there!).

Best regards,

R&B :-D

P.S. Yes, Rose, that is a great idea -- do some research on the companies involved! :-P  Our BDO (Pretory/Thendic) and PWC (Genesi/bplan/Thendic-France) Auditors will be happy to speak with you!  Also, no FUD please -- Debian, SuSE, Mandrake and Gentoo all run fine (even YDL2.1).  Not to mention OpenBSD, which we received our first screenshot of last night...;-)

@Alkemyst

 

@Downix Your running a Huge risk at running this thread way oftopic.

To be honest I find it quite interesting, as it is the OS that is making me unsure what to do.

If these guys can put up good arguments as to why each OS is best, i'd like to hear them

[DaveP]

@Droid

Best advice I can give you, apart from telling you to
buy both boards, is to wait until March 20th, then
if AOS4 isn't out for A1 owners buy MorphOS/Pegasos.

Why? Because by then there wont be anything other than a miniscule bunch of fanatics who are prepared
to wait any more for AOS4. I certainly won't and will
start bleating loudly for MorphOS on the A1.

[Lando]

Don't get an A1 unless you have money to burn and love Linux (since thats all you'll be able to run on it for ages yet).  Otherwise get a Pegasos, which you can start using right away with MorphOS.

If you really want to run OS4 when (if) it comes out it'd be cheaper to buy a Teron PX board from Terrasoft and an OS4-enabler kit from KDH or Vesalia than it would be to buy an actual A1, thanks to eyetech's rip-off prices.

[DaveP]

@Lando

Don't get an A1 unless you have money to burn and love Linux (since thats all you'll be able to run on it for ages yet).

Well in theory "a few more weeks".

 Otherwise get a Pegasos, which you can start using right away with MorphOS.

True.

If you really want to run OS4 when (if) it comes out it'd be cheaper to buy a Teron PX board from Terrasoft and an OS4-enabler kit from KDH or Vesalia than it would be to buy an actual A1, thanks to eyetech's rip-off prices.

OS4-enabler kits have not been proven to work on
Teron PX board, nor have I seen definate confirmation of this from any source ( but a lot of
rumour ). Is yours just speculation too or can you
point to somewhere where someone has actually
confirmed that an "OS4 enabler kit" exists and will
work on non A1 boards?

Secondly, the "rip off prices" the last time I looked were not so rip off at all ( given the wrong board was put up by Mai originally ). Can you do the maths
breakdown for us?

I would guess say a TeronPX would be about 10% cheaper bought direct plus shipping costs and local taxation costs.

MAI are selling Teron CX Mai sells Teron CX for 500 USD

Eyetech sell it at 576 USD ( at todays currency conversion rate of 1.6 dollars to the pound ).

Thats a 15% hike, not far off the direct margin.

I just looked into shipping costs, It would cost me 45 dollars to get UPS to ship from there to me. So not that much of a hike after all.

Finally there is the AmigaOS4 cost on top of that - the so called "enabler" which was given away with the cost of the board but now is not ( apparently ).

The prices aren't that different, the cost is not that
much cheaper overall and at the moment what we would be missing from the CX is unknown.

So calling it a rip off is a bit strong.

[DaveP]

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[uncharted]

Hi Doid.

Don't let anyone here (including me :-) ) sway your decision.  Firstly ignore all the crap flung about by the various companies, it's very hard to judge what is truth, marketing hype, spin, or pure FUD anymore.  Concentrate on what YOU want.

I gathered you had a go on one the pegasos at WOASE, did you like it?  Did you feel as if the system could provide what you need/want?

Talk to existing users, ignoring of course the zelots.  I'd suggest talking to Spidey (Pegasos) and Coder (A1) both will give you a fairly balanced view on each system (although Coder won't be able to comment on OS 4 until he gets it).  It's quite sad, but you really have to be careful who you try to get info from.  There are so many zelots about for both sides. Steer well clear of people working on either project, selling either or producing software for either and most of all Bill (B/Mc) worshippers/haters.

If you really are torn between the two wait longer (but obviously not forever) before making that decision, and compare the two properly.  This is a large (for most people) amount of money we're talking about here, and should be carefully considered.

But at the end of the day, only YOU can decide :-D

[Senex]

@DaveP

is to wait until March 20th, then if AOS4 isn't out for A1 owners buy
MorphOS/Pegasos.

That's an opinion I can clearly support. ;-)

@Droid

Please feel free to ask us Pegasos-owners specific questions which
could help you to come to a decision. Generally I think that OS4 will
sooner or later find its way officially to the Pegasos as well. (And
I'm looking forward to test it on my Pegasos then as well.) But of
course there's no guarantee for this now. It's just based on common
sense. Anyway, if I were you, I'd just consider what would be easier
to me: waiting many monthes more for OS4 (and given the current state
of their competitors with the headstart I'd say that might be many,
many, MANY monthes until a real end-user release) or accepting those
few points you might like less from MorphOS's feature-list compared to
the OS4-featurelist.

[bbrv]

Note: We will also be extending the same pricing to user groups through Phoenix.  Here are two examples:

ASUM

SPUG

 :-D

And, we will sponsor Demo Sceners!  Have a look at:
 
Equinoxe

Go Pegasos!

R&B :-)

[zacman]

>Best advice I can give you, apart from telling you to
>buy both boards, is to wait until March 20th, then
>if AOS4 isn't out for A1 owners buy
>MorphOS/Pegasos.

Good idea. Well it'd be even better that everyone
who can afford it/has the time should go to Cebit and
compare both solutions (OS4/AmigaOne and
MorphOS/Pegasos), then sleep one night and decide
on March 20th, the first day after Cebit  :-)

[Alkemyst]

To be honest I find it quite interesting, as it is the OS that is making me unsure what to do.

If these guys can put up good arguments as to why each OS is best, i'd like to hear them

here is the Os4 feature list topic thread

http://amiga.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5661&forum=1#77756

A realtime video of morphos in action.

Let's have it.
Show us what you got.

Some of us never leave the house, and all of our imformation comes from the internet.

Let's have the video please.

Enough reading opinions.
Give us a narrated video of morphos in action.

And please make it at least 10 minutes long.

[Alkemyst]

[Jose]

I'd buy A1 if I had the money but to be honest I'd advise you to wait until both are out. Who cares if OS4 takes a few more months?! That wouldn't make sense, to invest all that money after waiting so much time,  without knowing both products. Well if you're on top of the fence that is... :-D