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B52 misses Farnborough
« on: July 21, 2004, 06:11:31 PM »
But it was nearby.

Hopefully it wasn't their best people flying it, but sometimes you gotta wonder.

Story here.
 

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2004, 06:31:12 PM »
Maybe someone was having a wedding and it was deflected off-course by its precision wedding-bombing computers.
 

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2004, 06:42:38 PM »
Lies, all lies! We all know those guys never make mistakes!!!

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2004, 07:01:20 PM »
In related news, the RAF is to decomission its remaining Jaguar multi role stovl attack aircraft two years before its planned retirement, also the base that they operate from is to be closed.

Beautiful aircraft with an insanely short take off and landing distance, with the ability to reliably land on grass strips.

Expect to see airframes (minus radar and engines) of these aircraft go for a song (as with the Buccaneer) in the very near future.
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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2004, 07:21:21 PM »
Hum,
So it missed the great Boeing/Airbus battle...

Incredible, not...
Probably the one good thing was that it wasn't loaded with high explosive bombs...




yea,
 i suppose those airframes would make nice green houses..

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2004, 07:46:43 PM »
I don't know what the big issue is with B52 accuracy anyway. These things were meant to drop the H-bomb. Dropping one within 50km of your target is generally good enough. :-P
 

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2004, 08:37:08 PM »
With or without the pilot perched on top of the bomb? :-P

(Dr Strangelove reference)
 

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2004, 10:04:18 PM »
Are they buying Eurofighters or some American aircraft?
Are the Typhoons in production yet?
 

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2004, 11:10:27 PM »
Hum,
the Eurofighter of course!

Heres the Farnborough website
 if your intrested in ordering the latest ordnance or plane...


Hum, thats strange, just noticed that the US only have 4  flying displays the rest are static...

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2004, 12:22:49 AM »
@ Fluffy

Eurofighter (Now called "Typhoon") was supposed to be here by the end of the year, to my knolledge it isn't even in production as of yet and is currently shedualed to arive for active service some time in the next two years with a price tag of £40 million per aircraft, some £15 million over cost. It will be replacing the Tornado F3 and GR1's, along with just about everything else in this class, including Jaguar.

The navy on the other hand is set to replace its Harrier GR7's (See Harrier - currently the only air defence aircraft available to the british navy was retired this year, leaving the ground attack GR7's to fill in the void) is to be replaced by American designed Joint Strike Fighters, because of their vertical take off and landing capability and because they can also go supersonic, price tag for them is around $50 million per unit.

However, Niether of these aircraft are as well suited to the role that Jaguar played - able to take off from unprepaired runways and specialised in ground attack.

The Navy is set to loose some 12 major warships, reducing the home fleets surface strength to a mere 25 (less then half of what we had available to us during the falklands crisis) major war ships and 7 or 8 nuclear attack submarines.

The Army is to loose 4 batalions and get working radios in return...
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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2004, 09:14:09 AM »
The Typhoon was supposed to be operational in 2000, hence the hame "Eurofighter 2000".

The German government requested a redesign of several features to meet the needs of a post-cold war Luftwaffe, which resulted in substantial delay.  Not only that, but there have been significant cost overruns as a result.  The UK is dragging it's heels on it's original procurement of 230+ Typhoons which look set to be cut in the defence review.  Fortunately, the Greek air force look set to purchase Typhoons and Eurofighter consortium are trying to sell to air forces around the world.

The original BAe EAP demostrator, upon which the Typhoon was based first flew in 1986.

Meanwhile, the US are also experiencing delays with their F22 Raptor programme.  The YF22 first flew in 1990 and is entering service about now with controversy over the original USAF order for 600+ Raptors.  It looks unlikely that the USAF will receive more than 300, thus pushing the unit cost higher (as in the case of the Typhoon).  It's also unlikely that the Raptor will be as extensively marketed overseas as it's F15 predecessor, given the nature of the technology involved.

The Lockheed / BAe JSF (F35) is slated for a 2012 in service date, but that looks optimistic given the delays faced by other projects.  The aircraft is also gaining weight rapidly, which is far from ideal given the weight constraints of carrier operations.  The Royal Navy is also expected to get two new large carriers during the next decade, specially designed for JSF operations.
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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2004, 02:25:34 PM »
The JSF is a peice of junk, there is a reason why the Harrier is the only VsTOL aircraft in the world today. The reason is that it is painfully simple. YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.

The JSF is so complex, they'll spend more time in the mantainace shop than in service...

The Jaguars are all end of life now, the air frames cost a fortune just to keep them fight worthy... add to that they have never really been used properly in their intended role. It's plain to see why they want to get rid of them.

The buccaneer was an odd aeroplane, it under performed and no one wanted it... stick new engines in it, and it became the best low level laser guided bomb platform available juring the Gulf war.

Back on topic, did you know that the B52 will be 80 years old by the time they plan to retire it, I expect it will probably stay in service for some years after that too!

It seems inconcevable to me right now, of an aircraft that has been flying for 80 years and is still in a front line role... :-)

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2004, 05:04:19 PM »
Quote

blobrana wrote:
Hum,
the Eurofighter of course!



I like the phrase:

"Affordable Air Dominance"
 

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2004, 09:30:22 PM »
Eurofighter 2000 seems like a false economy to me. F16 and MiG 29 designs might be inferior, but they're not that inferior. If for the price of buying and maintaining 10 eurofighters, your enemy can buy and run 30 Mig29s for the same price, you're pretty stuffed.
 

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Re: B52 misses Farnborough
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2004, 11:05:19 PM »
hum,
yeah,
but what about all the jobs?
is it not better to keep the money in the community?

Anyway i`m not a great fan of the Eurofighter anyway, i probably would have bought a bulk load of cheap russian planes instead (an spares)...

And i remember seeing an Israeli F16 that manages to land  with only one wing...