B52 misses Farnborough

[blobrana]

hum,
yeah,
but what about all the jobs?
is it not better to keep the money in the community?

Anyway i`m not a great fan of the Eurofighter anyway, i probably would have bought a bulk load of cheap russian planes instead (an spares)...

And i remember seeing an Israeli F16 that manages to land  with only one wing...

[the_leander]

the Mig29 is a nice aircraft and whilst it is a formiddable fighter in its own right, getting parts and more importantly getting parts that actually meet UK aviation standards would make it very costly to maintain. F16 again although cheeper to purchase initially, is costly to maintain.

Eurofighter however is more then capable of out performing the pair of them. Can carry heavier weapons loads then both and go further then the F16.

You are correct in saying that overwhelming numbers would eventually wipe out a technologically more advanced foe. However, as was shown in the falklands, where a 10 - 1 advantage against us was present, technology does count for some things. Argentines lost fighters in double figures, whilst we lost none in air to air combat (We lost two harriers due to AA fire).

A bit of inovation, well trained and well motivated pilots will even against statistically impossible odds.

[adz]

A bit of inovation, well trained and well motivated pilots will even against statistically impossible odds.

Quiet true, an example of this can be seen here.

[adz]

And i remember seeing an Israeli F16 that manages to land with only one wing...

Not quite...it was actually an F-15.

[PMC]

blobrana wrote:
hum,
yeah,
but what about all the jobs?
is it not better to keep the money in the community?

Anyway i`m not a great fan of the Eurofighter anyway, i probably would have bought a bulk load of cheap russian planes instead (an spares)...

And i remember seeing an Israeli F16 that manages to land  with only one wing...

@Blob

Moot point, but I think it was actually an F-15 that landed safely with a wing missing after being hit by a SAM.

Several western countries have looked at buying in the SU-27 in place of traditional western designs and it's worth noting that some Soviet era aircraft were designed to be compatible with NATO ground handling facilities and could be flown from captured airstrips.  The expensive bit would be either procuring Russian weaponry or adapting our own to fit the Russian aircraft which could conceivably require an extensive refit.

That said, I think the SU-27 is probably the coolest looking thing in the sky right now.

[whabang]

KennyR wrote:
Eurofighter 2000 seems like a false economy to me. F16 and MiG 29 designs might be inferior, but they're not that inferior. If for the price of buying and maintaining 10 eurofighters, your enemy can buy and run 30 Mig29s for the same price, you're pretty stuffed.

That's why the Griffin exists: It's the most advanced fighter aircraft in active service, and itw way cheaper than the Eurofighter.
:-D

[blobrana]

@whabang
not keen on that name, the  Gripen, and the colour scheme is way off...


@correctors
Ahh, of course,
i should have remembered,
(due to the hours of flying f15 strike eagle, on the amiga and C64)

[whabang]

not keen on that name, the Gripen, and the colour scheme is way off...

Sigh! Women!
/me runs
:lol:

[T_Bone]

KennyR wrote:
Maybe someone was having a wedding and it was deflected off-course by its precision wedding-bombing computers.

 :roll:  :lol:

[the_leander]

I do like Griffin, I like it a lot. Personally, I'd love to see a carrier born version of it to be on the forthcomming large aircraft carriers that the Navy is planning, as its reletively small, light and highly dangerous to anyone going up against it.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

whabang wrote:

not keen on that name, the Gripen, and the colour scheme is way off...

Sigh! Women!
/me runs
:lol:

:-P:-P:-P

@thread

[PMC]

blobrana wrote:
@whabang
not keen on that name, the  Gripen, and the colour scheme is way off...

Which scheme?  AFAIK most Swede jets are painted in the two tone NATO grey scheme but they used to paint their fighters in this really cool crazy-paved camo.  

If you want to see some cool colours then check out the pics of 1960's RAF Lightnings.  Before 1967 when the MOD got sniffy about these things Lightning squadrons seemed to be trying to outdo each other for spectacle.  There are photos of red/white chequered tail fins or bright red / blue shades painted on the spine / tail / wing leading edge while the rest of the jet was polished aluminium.  The RAF roundels too came in for similar treatment, with lightning bolts, red / yellow chequers, tiger stripes (74 squadron) being applied liberally below the canopy.

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/full/ligh_026.jpg
http://www.lightning.org.uk/photo.php?img0039.jpg
http://www.lightning.org.uk/photo.php?img0011.jpg
http://www.lightning.org.uk/photo.php?img0014.jpg
http://www.lightning.org.uk/photo.php?img0024.jpg
http://www.lightning.org.uk/photo.php?img0025.jpg

[whabang]

blobrana wrote:
@whabang
not keen on that name, the  Gripen,

Well, you can't really call it "the gripen". In Sweden (or in the rest of Scandinavia for that matter), we don't really have a conterpart to the English word "the". Instead, we put endings, like an, en, or et (depending on the word's gender), at the end of the word. Thus, "Gripen" means "The Griffin"; if you put "the" in front of "Gripen", it would mean "The the Griffin".

[bloodline]

whabang wrote:

blobrana wrote:
@whabang
not keen on that name, the  Gripen,

Well, you can't really call it "the gripen". In Sweden (or in the rest of Scandinavia for that matter), we don't really have a conterpart to the English word "the". Instead, we put endings, like an, en, or et (depending on the word's gender), at the end of the word. Thus, "Gripen" means "The Griffin"; if you put "the" in front of "Gripen", it would mean "The the Griffin".

I thought that might be the case, arn't I clever? :-)

[whabang]

Yes you are, but did you know that if you pronounce "gripen" with a short "i", then it means "arrested" instead? :-P


Make that a long, high-pitched "i" instead

[PMC]

@Whabang

Can you post some Gripen pics here?