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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #29 from previous page: September 16, 2004, 12:36:53 PM »
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I know I've had an erection when I didn't really want one!

Jeez...  Always at the most innoportune moments!  
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Also other "statutory rape" charges might apply if the male is young or the female is in a position of trust, etc.


Actual penetrative sex doesn't need to take place to qualify as a sexual assault.  There was a case in an office where a junior male member of staff successfully brought charges against senior female staff members who's abuse was more emotional than physical.

I was outraged when Carole Malone of the Daily Mirror wrote in her column about the case justifying female sexual assault on males as "maybe it's payback time?".  I've refused to buy the paper ever since.  If the piece had been written by a male journalist about a female sexual assault victim he'd have been publically flogged.

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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2004, 01:03:48 PM »
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I was outraged when Carole Malone of the Daily Mirror wrote in her column about the case justifying female sexual assault on males as "maybe it's payback time?".


Yikes!  :-o
 

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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2004, 02:29:14 PM »
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I was outraged when Carole Malone of the Daily Mirror wrote in her column about the case justifying female sexual assault on males as "maybe it's payback time?".


Yikes!  :-o


Yikes indeed...  In her view it's okay to sexually harrass and abuse male members of staff because "it's payback time" an no-one criticises.  

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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2004, 02:33:19 PM »
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You don't have to have sexual intercourse to abuse someone sexually.

I agree - but weren't we talking about "rape"?
The only definition for "rape" I know up to today is if a male penetrates a female with his penis *AGAINST HER WILL*.

That means:
No penetration - no rape!

Furthermore:
No erection - no penetration - no rape!

Sexual abusage is a different thing and does indeed not require sexual intercourse.
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Also, various drugs can be used to lower the inhibitions of the person in question. That's still rape.

I think that's a matter of definition - and the definition differs from country to country.
According to my understanding those drugs just make it easier for a person to say "yes" (as long as this person is not unconscious).
And if one says "yes", then he/she wants it and so it can't be rape.
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I know I've had an erection when I didn't really want one!

Are you sure that you "really didn't want one"?
I think it just hit you unprepared.
If you *REALLY* would have *RESISTED* to get an erection (e.g. by thinking of/concentrating on something really sad)
you certainly would not have gotten one!
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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2004, 03:08:39 PM »
I can see Punkie's point though : any sexual coupling against one of the participant's wishes is technically rape, and of course age plays a role where the law may determine that the rape is statutory. And there are drugs that can be injected directly into the penis to force a man to have an erection, so I don't believe the man has 100% control in these situations.

But I'll agree with Dandy on one thing: while it is still wrong for a woman to sit astride a man without his consent, I don't think that act is as heinous as a man penetrating a woman without her consent. I think the penetration and physical damage that may be done is a far worse violation of the woman's rights than if a man found his sausage being put in a wallet he didn't want it to be put in. I suppose if you wanted to compare apples with apples, a man would only suffer the equivalent mental and physical trauma of rape at the hands of a woman, if she used some kind of implement to penetrate him.
 

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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2004, 03:40:28 PM »
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Are you sure that you "really didn't want one"?
I think it just hit you unprepared.
If you *REALLY* would have *RESISTED* to get an erection (e.g. by thinking of/concentrating on something really sad)
you certainly would not have gotten one!
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It doesn't quite work like that...  Especially if hyphotic drugs are involved.  It's not as simple as "I don't want an erection so I'll think of Margaret Thatcher in her pants to put me off" as the interaction between mind and genitals more complicated than that, it's not just a mental response.
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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2004, 03:43:34 PM »

@ Margaret Thatcher in her pants: eeeeewwwwwwwww!!!!
 

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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2004, 05:57:43 PM »
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It doesn't quite work like that... Especially if hyphotic drugs are involved. It's not as simple as "I don't want an erection so I'll think of Margaret Thatcher in her pants to put me off" as the interaction between mind and genitals more complicated than that, it's not just a mental response.


Or alternatively, anyone who's ever had a prostrate exam will see exactly how you can get up without wanting to in the slightest. Eow.
 

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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2004, 06:03:44 PM »
lol @ Kenny's unintentional spelling mistake:

Prostrate

The sentence could be modified like this: "He had a prostate exam while lying postrate"

;)

Anyway back o/t:

Besides being immortalised in Road Trip, there is some medical evidence to support what Kenny alluded to.
 

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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2004, 03:36:54 AM »
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(I've always been curious how it feels (if possble at all)when a man gets raped (by a woman)...)


Of course it is possible for a woman to screw a man without his consent. But as he would have to have an errection, it would be even more difficult to prosecute a woman for rape than a man. It could be argued that his errection was proof of consent, and even if he could prove that he did not consent, she could argue that she thought he was consenting because he had a hard-on.

Have you ever passed out and woken up to find a some strange slapper playing with your penis[edit] (in case you have not noticed men get a boner while sleeping). It can be an unplesant and disturbing experience, even if she is attractive.

Rape can be a difficult charge to prove, with victims often too ashamed to come forward until long after the incident (if at all). The rapist often anticipates the victims response, and discredits them before they get a chance to confide in anybody. Also, Police, in my experience, treat victims of crime even worse than they treat the criminals if the victim is poor, young, ethnic or funny looking.

My society tends to tell men that they are all supposed to be studs, and men who speak out about being sexually assalted by women are rarely taken seriously. A 15yo girl dating an older man is frowned upon by all, but a 15yo boy dating an older woman is considered lucky. It is still a crime, but it is far less likley to go to court, and far less likley to convict a female-paedophile or rapist than a male.

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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2004, 03:52:24 AM »
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I was outraged when Carole Malone of the Daily Mirror wrote in her column about the case justifying female sexual assault on males as "maybe it's payback time?". I've refused to buy the paper ever since
sheesh! what a stupid, childish, moronic point of view (her's, not your's). this is one of the main reasons i have very few female friends. it's hard to respect people who are this dumb.
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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2004, 08:31:07 PM »
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I was outraged when Carole Malone of the Daily Mirror wrote in her column about the case justifying female sexual assault on males as "maybe it's payback time?". I've refused to buy the paper ever since
it's hard to respect people who are this dumb.


And even harder when they're pedalling their crap in national newspapers every day.  To tie in with Anakirob's post about male rape not being taken seriously in society, I was offended that the female journalist was effectively saying "Ladies, it's alright to abuse men in the workplace, after all they've been doing it to us for centuries".

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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2004, 08:39:11 PM »
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Rape can be a difficult charge to prove, with victims often too ashamed to come forward until long after the incident (if at all). The rapist often anticipates the victims response, and discredits them before they get a chance to confide in anybody.

My society tends to tell men that they are all supposed to be studs, and men who speak out about being sexually assalted by women are rarely taken seriously.


Hear, hear.  I've had three or four female friends who've had some thoroughly unpleasant experiences and who haven't reported the crime taking place out of shame, guilt (in one case the girl actually said to me "I should have fought him off, but I didn't so it's my fault") or emotional blackmail.  Picking up the pieces afterward ain't nice either.

If a man either speaks out against a sexual assault by a woman or another man then society treats them much more harshly than they would a woman.  
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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2004, 08:03:58 AM »
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If a man either speaks out against a sexual assault by a woman or another man then society treats them much more harshly than they would a woman.

More harshly? They'd be laughed at! :-x
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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2004, 09:01:23 AM »
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If a man either speaks out against a sexual assault by a woman or another man then society treats them much more harshly than they would a woman.

More harshly? They'd be laughed at! :-x


Exactly.
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Re: WARNING: 'Rohypnol, date rape drug...'
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2004, 06:19:25 AM »
My sister got caught out with a date rape drug with the first drink during a fairly normal friday night out, luckily she was with a group of her friends at the time, and the bouncers in the club knew her by site (and as such protected her more then most) so I guess she was lucky, but then again, she was practically in a coma for the better part of two days, and shaky for weeks afterward.

No one was caught, and to this day she can't remember what happened up untill a couple of days after and before.

In plymouth a few years back there were a spate of these occurences, no rapes, but quite a few women (including a good friend of my sisters) were made seriously ill over the course of 6 or so months, she, like they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

That was a good few years back, though sadly there have been rapes of women who's drinks have been spiked since then.

All in all Plymouth is a sh!tehole of a city, which should be avoided at all costs. Glad I moved to Sheffield for so many reasons.
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