Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II

[Frodon]

Hello Rose,

I really wonder why I got a bootable Debian on my Pegasos. It's strange that I have a bootable distro as according to you and your speculations it doesn't exist. And you know I've got a bootable Linux on it since August 2002.

Next time avoid to speculate, you are not good ;-)

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello,

"Isn't this illegal? Talking about competitors products like this.  Remember the pepsi - coca cola commercials..."

Comparison marketing is legal in most of the countries of the world. I see comparison advertising on TV or magazines every day.

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello Mountain_Myst,

"Which they said was completly fixed.
Only to find out that, in reality, it was not fixed at all."

Don't speculate that it's not fixed at all. April 1 fix lot of bugs particularly the famous DMA bug and some others. Just see Peg1-April1 owners like Senex who never had any probs with his Pegasos.

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello KennyR,

"Mai not totally honest about their Articia? Welcome to the evil world of niche computing, Genesi. As Amiga Inc. found out a while ago, this market is just full of companies who try to sell off incomplete software and broken hardware."

Sadly I've to agree with that

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello Mountain_Myst,

Well, now is really not a good time for you to be preaching MorphOS.
As you can see, there hasn't been people on here in the last couple of days saying, "Haaaaa, MorphOS rulez you".

They must have been a little humbled by the recent news from Genesi.

People not putting "MorphOS rulez" everywhere doesn't mean they don't think it I'm myself a Pegasos user and really love it and I know lot of others users who love it too. In fact I don't know any users who doesn't love it.

As far as the fix goes.
BULL CRAP!

Well the fix was and is needed, at least with "old" articias, so it's a useful fix.

They blew the hatch, man.
They screwed the pooch.

And it's strange to me that all this time, you've been away.
But now when people are starting to know what Genesi is all about, here you are again.

I've a got a life you know I had some exams at my school the past few weeks. Yes I'm a student

Who are you anyway.
Does Bill Buck pay you for your services?

I'm a student in my life. Otherwise, like I said, I'm the president of a MorphOS users group (which was an Amiga users group before) in France

And it's not speculation.
It's fact, btw.

What, that the fix is useless? Sorry it's not useless. As soon as you can't prove it's useless, it's not a fact. All I can see is that thanks to April, users who had problems with the unfixed boards, doesn't have probs anymore.
Additionally even Eyetech Ltd have officially said the Articia S was buggy and need a fix. They got their fix, Genesi got their fix too (April).

and furthermore...
MorphOS is illegal.

Prove it. As soon as it's not proven, it's not a fact.

But that never bothered me much anyway, as I don't see it as a real threat.

And don't give me this crap about api this and api that.
That's horse hocky and you know it.

You can think what you want to think, but not say it's facts until you prove it. AFAIK you didn't for now.

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello Mountain_Myst,

As far as proving that MorphOS is illegal.
Don't have to.
Everybody with any sense knows it.

You don't need proof.
All you need to know is that it's true.

Sorry the life is not that simple. And so are not the things in the computer world.
At the beginning I thought it wasn't possible that MorphOS is legal (lot of months ago. Because I just used my "common sense") but since that time I informed myself and I saw that it wasn't so simple in the reality and I realised that in fact MorphOS is perfectly legal.

I'll not blaim you to not have informed yourself enough to realise that. But don't claim that what you think is the truth. As in that case it's not The common sense doesn't work for everything. Additionally common sense is a biased concept as it depends on how you see the world. But as you know the laws are not made by you, but by the governements

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello Mountain_Myst,

Well don't you agree that in order to build an enviornment that acts exactly like another OS, you would actually have to look at origional code in order to understand how that OS works?

If this were not the case, how would you get your enviornment to run all the software that runs on that OS?

I'm in contact with the OpenBeOS Team which are exactly doing what you say: An OS that look exactly like BeOS and is fully source and binary compatible with.
I can tell you they don't use the BeOS sources at all and they can't as they can't have them. They simply use the BeOS Bible and lot of the other developpers documentation of BeOS.

You know how work an OS. The apps to communicate with the system use the OS APIs. What are APIs? It's an amount of tools/functions you use in your program to use some system services.
And for that you use the OS includes which are publicly available developpment elements (For Amiga int he Native Development Kits (NDK)). What are there is the OS includes?

- The tools/functions names
- The arguments they take
- The result returned

Even with just that you can reimplement an API. As you just have to recreate a program that have the same tools/functions with the same names, taking the same arguments and returning the same result.

Additionally if you don't really understand enough how the tools/function(s) work(s) to reimplement them, there are all the public development book (like the Rom Kernel Manuals) available that are explaining better what the purpose of each functions. All this together is far enough to reimplement APIs of an OS and so make a compatible OS with the original one.

I've seen proof of that many times, mainly in the BeOS world (with all the BeOS clones actually developped) and of course also in the Amiga world with AROS and MorphOS. If you want to check about OpenBeOS that they didn't use the sources of BeOS, just email them about that, you can find an email address in http://www.openbeos.org/

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello Mountain_Myst,

You cannot duplicate something without knowing what the origional really is. You cannot duplicate code without knowing what the origional code is.

But you can reinvent it. If you know how a wheel look like, you can do something that look like and works like the original wheel It's not be a duplication or a clone as there will be some differences, but it'll work liek the orginal one and can be used as a replacement of the original one. Same goes for the OS

And to say that using Amiga functions and calls in your OS is not wrong, then what is?

If what you mean is that putting same functions names and arguments is illegal, then you are wrong. Read the law Legally speaking there is no problem with that.

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello,

In reality, this is a good example of what a clone would look like without knowing the real code.

Click Here

Run that program and have a look.

Btw Athene only try to recreate the look, not the APIs.

If you "duplicate" an OS to run software that is Amiga only, you have broken the law.

Wrong (see below).

What if you built an OS that would run microsoft word?
Hmmm?

Bill Gates does have money, and he would completly destroy you.

Well he tried with Lindows®, he sued them, but he lost ;-) Yes Lindows® can run Microsoft® Word® for Windows® under Linux ;-) and is marketed as a Microsoft® Windows® compatible OS.

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello,

Hah...

I've used wine before, and it's pathetic.
It's nothing more than an emulator.

From Official Wine FAQ: http://www.winehq.org/docs/wine-faq/t1.shtml#IS-WINE-AN-EMULATOR

"2.2.  Is Wine an emulator?

           Fortunately, no. Wine provides low-level binary compatibility,            but currently only for OSes running on Intel-compatible chips."        

You say that MorphOS is not an emulator, but a clone OS.

Yes just like Wine

It runs these programs even better than the origional platform.

Is it a compliment for MorphOS? ;-)

There's a big difference there Frodon

Sadly for you, no ;-)

Regards

[Frodon]

Hello,

How can you say that Wine is not an emulator.

No not me! The Wine developers! The guys who CREATED it! I think they know better than you what Wine is!

Regards