Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II

[AmiGR]

Oh come on, Amiga In just does NOT have the money to sue.
If they did, they would pay their employees and would
show up in court when one of these employees sued
them not to let the court make the default decision..
Don't pretend not to know what I'm talking about.
Moreover, their lawyers wouldn't pull out of court all
the time.

[System]

The AmigaOS is EXTREMELY well documented.
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING

indeed.
And it's not legal to build a duplicate of all those things written therein.
Because all those sources that you mentioned have Amiga code all throughout.

They simply use the BeOS Bible and lot of the other developpers documentation of BeOS.

Which also includes source code.

And for that you use the OS includes which are publicly available developpment elements (For Amiga int he Native Development Kits (NDK)). What are there is the OS includes?

Which also includes source code.

Let me say it plainly here.

You cannot duplicate something without knowing what the origional really is.

You cannot duplicate code without knowing what the origional code is.

And to say that using Amiga functions and calls in your OS is not wrong, then what is?

[System]

Oh come on, Amiga In just does NOT have the money to sue

Well said.

And The people that built MorphOS is taking advantage of that.
God forbid if Amiga Inc. ever does come into real money.
If that happens, I don't think we would be having this discussion right now.

[AmiGR]

Buy the NDK and if you find a line of AmigaOS code
in it, I'll eat my tongue. No, includes are NOT source
code, they are API definitions needed to program for
the system.

[Frodon]

Hello Mountain_Myst,

You cannot duplicate something without knowing what the origional really is. You cannot duplicate code without knowing what the origional code is.

But you can reinvent it. If you know how a wheel look like, you can do something that look like and works like the original wheel It's not be a duplication or a clone as there will be some differences, but it'll work liek the orginal one and can be used as a replacement of the original one. Same goes for the OS

And to say that using Amiga functions and calls in your OS is not wrong, then what is?

If what you mean is that putting same functions names and arguments is illegal, then you are wrong. Read the law Legally speaking there is no problem with that.

Regards

[System]

In reality, this is a good example of what a clone would look like without knowing the real code.

Click Here

Run that program and have a look.

When you build an OS that emulates probably just as good as the origional, then something is very fishy indeed.

That's not even mentioning the fact about taking people's ideas, trademarks, and all the rest.

Amiga software was built to run on an Amiga system.
If you "duplicate" an OS to run software that is Amiga only, you have broken the law.

What if you built an OS that would run microsoft word?
Hmmm?

Bill Gates does have money, and he would completly destroy you.

[downix]

And how would you duplicate code that you've never looked at?

You couldn't.  Fortunately, nobody ever claimed they duplicated code, they duplicated the API.

And guess what, they *have* seen the API?  Wanna know where?  Huh?  Huh?

How about the Autodocs?  The RKM's?  Books published either by Commodore or with Commodores permission.

So yes, they saw the API's, and duplicated them that way.   I don't see any source involved here.  Only books, tons of books.

[System]

What do you say Downix?

Huh?

Huh?

What if you built an OS that was able to run microsoft word?

And then you went into mass production with that OS.

What would happen to you as a company?

Huh?

Huh?

[Frodon]

Hello,

In reality, this is a good example of what a clone would look like without knowing the real code.

Click Here

Run that program and have a look.

Btw Athene only try to recreate the look, not the APIs.

If you "duplicate" an OS to run software that is Amiga only, you have broken the law.

Wrong (see below).

What if you built an OS that would run microsoft word?
Hmmm?

Bill Gates does have money, and he would completly destroy you.

Well he tried with Lindows®, he sued them, but he lost ;-) Yes Lindows® can run Microsoft® Word® for Windows® under Linux ;-) and is marketed as a Microsoft® Windows® compatible OS.

Regards

[Warface]

Mountain Myst... Will you please stop your hatred campaign? It's pretty childish. I bet in 2 years you will lead such a campaign against Hyperion...

It may sound personal, but you have a fairly limited knowledge in the matters you express divine opinions about. A little bit more modesty please.

As to the G3>G4 statement I'm just as well pretty curious if they can prove it.

[System]

Hah...

I've used wine before, and it's pathetic.
It's nothing more than an emulator.

You say that MorphOS is not an emulator, but a clone OS.

It runs these programs even better than the origional platform.

There's a big difference there Frodon.  ;-)

[AmiGR]

Sorry but you're wrong, AtheOS is not an AmigaOS
clone, it just looks like it. AROS and MorphOS are
AmigaOS clones. As long as you do it without having
seen the original source code, you can clone any API.
It's perfectly legal to do that. Lindows did it. MS lost
the court case against them. Wine does it every day.
Did they get sued by MS? MS has a A HELL OF A LOT
of money. Cloning an API for software interoperability
is legal.

[System]

Mountain Myst... Will you please stop your hatred campaign? It's pretty childish. I bet in 2 years you will lead such a campaign against Hyperion

Man, I don't hate these people.

Me and Frodon have been discussing Amiga things for a long time, and I don't hate him.

MorphOS does not phase me.

This is just a discussion on what is proper and what is not.

and furthermore...
Hyperion is licensed to do whatever they do by Amiga Inc.

I have no problem with Hyperion.

[Frodon]

Hello,

Hah...

I've used wine before, and it's pathetic.
It's nothing more than an emulator.

From Official Wine FAQ: http://www.winehq.org/docs/wine-faq/t1.shtml#IS-WINE-AN-EMULATOR

"2.2.  Is Wine an emulator?

           Fortunately, no. Wine provides low-level binary compatibility,            but currently only for OSes running on Intel-compatible chips."        

You say that MorphOS is not an emulator, but a clone OS.

Yes just like Wine

It runs these programs even better than the origional platform.

Is it a compliment for MorphOS? ;-)

There's a big difference there Frodon

Sadly for you, no ;-)

Regards

[System]

Wine does not boot up from the bios.
Wine does not run on it's own.

Linux is the OS, and Wine is an emulator.

What the heck are you saying here?

Wine and MorphOS are so different in application, it's not even funny.

How can you say that Wine is not an emulator.
And how can you say that Wine and MorphOS are the same thing.

Rediculous.

Come on.

[Frodon]

Hello,

How can you say that Wine is not an emulator.

No not me! The Wine developers! The guys who CREATED it! I think they know better than you what Wine is!

Regards