My evening with Commodore USA, LLC

[WolfToTheMoon]

Thanks on the report, Red! Nice job !

Looking forward to seeing one of those products on my desk in the future

While Commodore USA is currently a licensee for the Commodore and Amiga  name, the intention is to own these companies outright one day and to be  a publicly traded company on a major exchange

Hell YES!

[WolfToTheMoon]

If they have the ability to make a computer look so much like the original c64, I'm wonder why they didn't go that route with the Amiga branded ones.

There will be Amiga replicas too, very possibly. It's being discussed on c-a.org...

[WolfToTheMoon]

So in the long run it's doomed to fail, just like that >2000$ mobo based around an EOL-CPU.

Maybe... luckily, C=USA is not basing their strategy on a single product. There will be laptops, netbooks, tablets, LCD monitos, keyboards, mices, joysticks... They should do fine, IMHO. C64x may, eventually, prove to be very expensive and low profit for them, but it will bring media attention. That's more important then number of units sold...

[WolfToTheMoon]

If they want to be taken seriously the least they could do is hire the guy trying to port AROS to PS3 with drivers for the hypervisor and then pick up the phone and negotiate a price for PS3 slim motherboards and stick those in their new cases. Or NatAmi come to that.

Maybe they should invent a time machine? Or Warp drive? because that's as realistic as your proposal(PS3 boards or Natami).

[WolfToTheMoon]

I wouldn't have a problem with AROS or Anubis, or even MorphOS or OS4 on these machines. Otherwise, don't call it "Amiga."

You can install AROS on any x86 for free... that means you'll be able to install it on future Amigas as well.

When C=USA originally announced their intentions of developing AROS, I was strictly against it. It is a dead platform, as any other AmigaOID around. You'd have to pour dozens of millions of dollars into it to even have a remote chance of being succesful in mainstream. In doing so, you would introduce things that were never present in the original AOS, like memory protection, which means several things... first, it would loose some of it responsiveness because of that and secondly, it would basically become a new OS with very few connections whatsoever to the original.  It would loose probably most of it Amiga-like features in the process... It simply doesn't make any sense next to a perfectly working kernel like Linux + GNU tools.

Original AmigaOS and it's derivatives are a dead platform(but they remain a nice hobby OS). It was helluva OS back in it's days, but by 1990s even people in Commodore were perfectly aware of it's faults. That's why several other options were considered even back then and that's why Gateway wanted QNX/Linux in 1999.

[WolfToTheMoon]

And this is where you keep getting into trouble, Wolf, no disrespect intended. Telling people to accept as dead that which they want to see living again is like rubbing salt in a wound. You're only going to get more flack if you keep suggesting it.

That said, and as I've suggested to Leo on the Commodore-Amiga forum, support AROS, make it ready for prime-time by donating to it would go a long way in terms of community out-reach, but telling it's dead is only gonna make them turn away from you.

If it is disrespectful to say the obvious truth(that AOS or any related OS is, commercially speaking, a dead platform), then so be it...

I like it(AOS) too, but that doesn't mean I'll be oblivious to simple facts. DEAD!

[WolfToTheMoon]

To be clear from my PoV: AmigaOS as it stands now is not commercially viable. An up-to-date AmigaOS has a better chance.

an up to date Amiga OS would need billions to make commercially successful... It is as viable as is space elevator.

[WolfToTheMoon]

Imagine what gem C-USA could come up with if they threw a 6 figure bounty into the community to 'Amigafy' Haiku or Syllable?

Sure... let's amigafy the crap of them and make it even less suitable for mainstream
In the process, we should also create 3 similar OSes, spread FUD between  them, and choose a CPU architecture that is very expensive and has very  little future on the desktop market. Then, to make things interesting,  we shall announce a MAP... which will be a even more expensive computer  running the same OS and EOL CPU and missing the same features. And it will be GREAT!

Count me in for that

[WolfToTheMoon]

You say that about anything that isn't "build an x86 system and put Linux on it." Is there some kind of secret tax the rest of us don't know about on computers running something other than Linux or Windows?

bacause that's the way things are... even the very biggest companies like Apple, Google, Nokia, Intel, Samsung use Linux/UNIX as a base.

Like any true amigan, one must state the obvious. If they are so successful... then they must be

a)less technically advanced then Amiga
b)using less elegant architecture
c)M!CROSOFT!!!1!!!
d)all of the above

:lol:

[WolfToTheMoon]

I agree that for the mainstream, they need the best Linux distro they can get/modify.
However, for little money, they could scoop a core 'alternative Amiga' community who would want to run on Commodore Amiga.

By contrast, if they have ONLY Linux, what is keeping Linux people on the C-USA product? It's not a 'community' but a tiny subset of the Linux user community.

Leo said something about still wanting to support AROS(and bounties), so you may yet get your wish.

[WolfToTheMoon]

If I've told you once, I've told you a billion times: don't exaggerate! (And you are exaggerating.)

I'm not exaggerating... first you'd have to rewrite the entire OS, because the current ones are stuck in the 90s in basic features. Then you'd have to get hardware manufacturers to write drivers for it. Then you'd have to write some apps, pay other companies to port theirs to your platform. Then you'd have to market it, which alone would cost you a very large amount of money(commercials on TV, newspapers, internet). After all that, you're still a long way of being sure you will succeed in attracting a lrge enough user base. So my billions are spot on the money

However, the gist of my argument still isn't they should do an AmigaOS. I'd welcome it if they would, however: if it doesn't have AmigaOS, don't call it Amiga. There are expectations that come with that name that the cannot fulfill, whatever the reason.

Workbench X will be a Amiga OS. It will run on Amigas and it will be produced by Commodore. Thus, it becomes an Amiga OS. Your argument that it will not be related to any of the current amiga like OSes is valid.

[WolfToTheMoon]

And an orbital lift tower (i'm a brit, so it's the law that I don't use the word elevator )is something we defineltly need to have, and to make viable with all expediancy.

100% with you on that

[WolfToTheMoon]

Putting NatAmi inside a PC case which looks like an A3000? :roflmao: if that is unrealistic then there is no hope C= USA will produce anything other than some bullshit low-end PC x86 motherboard in a Amiga lookalike case and stick on crappy Linux and UAE that can't even play PPC 266mhz games for Amiga

Did you speak to Sony? Do you know for a fact they would never ever let you purchase their motherboard to expand their market share at a price of their choosing? No. Which is the same really for all pro C=USA trolls in here...they know nothing and yet they think they know everything

That's not the point... would a NATAMI in a Amiga case sell? That's the point?
Sure, you could sell a few hundreds FPGAs... do not think it would justify the investment.

Why would Sony let any other company sell PS3 rebranded? That's crazy... especially considering what they are doing to those guys that broke the "encryption"