The X1000 will be > $2,225

[DAX]

Okay, so where have these developers been hiding for the past six years? Are you saying they refused to buy the A1 and the SAM because they weren't priced *high* enough?

AmigaOS development in the past 6 years has been spotty at best, Rogue over at AWs said many times they didn't want their work to be lost (ie: handed over for nothing).
Settlement has been signed a few months ago and both AOS Core Developers and aficionados devs, are tapping at the keyboard way more than in the past.
Let's see what happens now that both SW and HW are under control (a situation we never had unitll now).

[DAX]

Not to start an argument, but then os4 on x1000 is as much an Amiga as my WindowsXP running winUae..

Its still not a real Amiga.

That must have to do with your idea of "Amiga" as being a 1980 2D raster graphics game console (then turned computer), however the next installment of a given computer system it's not more or less  authentic, "depending on how close it's HW design is to the very first  machine produced in that line many years ago", and in fact the latest  MacPro and the latest Playstation share nothing with the originals (even  the Xbox360 shares nothing with its predecessor).

That line of  thinking it's a distorted pile of BS that I only hear in Amiga sites.  What happens in reality (ie: in the real world) is that a team of  engineers sits around a table (either real or virtual) and decides what  will be best for the platform based on available technology (available  through their HW partners even if currently under wraps).
The new  system comes out (such as PS3, MacPro or Xbox360) and might offer some  level of retro-compatibility via emulation layers.
The X1000 is just  the product of real world thinking and is a modern design that takes  heterogeneous computing at heart by allowing the addition of extra  Integer crunching power through Xmos Tech and extra Flops crunching  power via GP-GPU.

We should be all proud that the next Amiga will  once again be a very unique (and out of the box) Home Computer system, specially considering that as we discussed with user The_Leander thoroughly, C= had decided Amiga was a dead parrot and scrapped it completely (ie: if they dind't go bankrupt there would have been no Amiga whatsoever in any way or form).
They were planning to release a game console based on the Hombre chipset but this HW was no Amiga as Dave Haynie confessed:

Strictly speaking, Hombre is not an Amiga chip set.  While it supports some of the Amiga ideas, it's no more Amiga compatible than an SVGA chip (less actually, since all SVGA chips support planar as well as chunky displays,at least up to 4 bits/pixel).
The Amiga OS was not to have run on this system in any form.

They also had a WindowsNT PA-Risc based workstation planned (note that none of the above projects even came close to completion).

[DAX]

@DAX

You keep doing this... just making up facts to support your farfetched dreams, but do go on... I suppose it is mildly amusing.

You're free to counter them

[DAX]

What's the point? you will bend any reply you get to support your delusions

have try, might find out your deluded as much

[DAX]

@DAX
I would suggest you go recheck what you quote as facts, 99% of it seems to be mere speculation or you simply misunderstanding what was said. Not saying it couldn't happen given sufficient time and resources, but your estimates seem way too optimistic unless some drastic change happens.

On my optimism: If you analyze recent months instead of very old past happenings, you will notice that things have changed and the level of effort and commitment today is up 10 folds. So my stance is "we have this and this possibility" thanks to this new situation.
If this level of commitment is suddenly stopped I will surely change my mind, but I don't see any "recent" signal of that happening.

[DAX]

It's quite easy to tell that DAX hasn't been around for long.

That's not completely correct, i've been around from 1988 till 1997 and now I'm back to stay, so we will live together future happenings  (and I will have to bear you guys dragging the past 10 years to the present all the time :lol:)

[DAX]

In name only my friend. There is nothing more "amiga" in HyperionOS than what's in MorphOS or AROS. The legal argument doesn't impress me and it has nothing to do with the product or it's design. If Amiga Inc licensed the name to a dildo manufacturer, would you have the same feelings about a dildo with a boing ball logo attached to it?

Even if you own a Mercedes 500SL and in a court case you settle to hand it over to your divorcing wife (let's say she is called Brenda),  the change in ownership doesn't turn the  car into a "Brenda 500SL" It will remain what it is, a Mecedes  500SL.  
AmigaOS is not called AmigaOS because it belonged to Amiga-Inc.  (Delaware or what not).
  Is like saying that since Commodore bought Miner and Morse company  than the OS became "CommodoreOS" as soon as a new version was made by  Commodore (ie:2.0/2.1/3.0) by other people not related to the original  Amiga group from the early 80s. (utter Nonesense).
 
 There is a Chronology, a Sourcecode, and the fact that the only evolution that original sourcecode (that dates back  many years) , is called AmigaOS4 and only Hyperion can developt it and sell it.

 AmigaOS is now in the  hands of Hyperion as it was in the hands of Amiga Inc before and as it  was in the hands of Commodore even earlier (all three were not the  original creators of the OS but they were entitled to further develop it and sell it in their due time).

[DAX]

So you choose to ignore what the people currently involved achieved in those years?

this can be interpreted in may ways, make a couple of examples please.

[DAX]

No need to interpret anything, just look at what was done.

As I said many times I loved my Amiga (vanilla A2000 bought in 1988 and then expanded with Gforce 040 DKB 2MBchipram and Picasso 2) as computer not as a gaming console. I know there were big mess ups in the past but I wouldn't be back if I didn't notice a chance of getting again a similar Amiga.

All I care for is to have competent Amiga computer system that helps me in my computing tasks while at home, we are not there yet (many things are missing), but I'm happy to support the project.
Hope it goes well and for the last several months, things went differently then in the past which points to "a change" (something that many here fail to realize).
Anyway we will all be here to see how it goes won't we?

[DAX]

You left only few months before great things were promised to happen It really shows you only lived the best years of Commodore and few years after Commodore's demise when the community was still strong.

It all collapsed in years 1997-2000 when remaining Amiga companies collapsed, magazines ceased to exist and developers left. Virtually everything we have today has been created from ground zero. There was a time when every Amigan in the world didnt know each others...

hard times I know, in Italy we had the last magazine (EnigmaAmigaMagazine) published and delivered to newsstands nation-wide until 2001 (got some back issues) and I see both big troubles (the gateway/qnx/Boxx fiascos just to name a few) and some good things, such as H&P still updating their AmigaWriter and ArtEffect sw ,not to mention some good games.
But then things got even worse, and I don't think anybody would love to see all that happening again.
At the moment I don't see it happening as Hyperion is in control of both SW and HW this time, Ainc was out of control in both cases.
I foresee a better outcome this time, but in case it goes like in the past, we will be able to say we lived this deja-vu together this time around.

[DAX]

Err, were you paying attention to who I posted it for and what had been discussed before? This is a user who by his own admission has been away from the platform since 1997 and missed all of the negatives.

Think what you want, but if I have something negative to say about the X1000 I will say it outright.

-Edit-
I see you registered in October 2009, that also explains a lot...

Nice read, don't worry i don't think you are a troll
My feeling is that we have a  change of pace/intentions/motivation in the OS4 dev camp, but as I said already, we are here, facts will tells us how it goes "this" time.

[DAX]

New Amiga? hmmmmmm maybe in name, Amiga was cutting edge when it was introduced what i see here is expensive old technology at 6 core prices. To me it just doesn't feel like an Amiga, it look like any other PC/Mac around at the moment in truth i am far more excited about FPGA Arcade/Natami and other projects then this. what can this do that my Quad core at work or home cant using win 7, what is there to make me want to beg for a X1000... nothing i wish i can think otherwise but it comes down to another PC/Mac look alike with an Amiga name sorry but this does get my juice flowing or anything else for that matter.
I can build dozens of computer that look better, faster and a more personalized then this "Amiga" and that using store bought MB/HDD and graphics cards. All it has in OS4..... not really a point to spend any amount of money on....

Amiga was cutting edge... for a few years (they had better used Ranger in the A500 no questions about it, poor J.Miner). From your avatar I presume you are a cassic afficionado that thought about Amiga as a game console, however after C= screwed up (being late with new chip-sets) and the world changed (migrated to more powerful off the shelf graphics processing units), Amiga became a professional workstation for media authoring (and little more).
Those that grew up professionally with it like the idea of a new AmigaOS based workstation, and since the world has changed since then, it is a no brainer the latter will reflect just that (with some added xena spice).
For game loving people, all Amiga game creators offer the goods on PS3/X360.
As for your building capabilities, they are very welcome in amigaland, why don't you show us a MOBO design you made (or make right now) for AmigaOS, there will be many persons interested if it's as interesting as you say.

[DAX]

Actually you assume wrong i was a programmer first and tinker second i just have that avatar as i couldn't find one better and i am lazy.
I don't design motherboards i just make computers and from my stand point why should i pay for something that cost more and doesn't do all i want? could your X1000 out perform my 2 yo quad core with 4GB of ram and a ATI 5870??? my point is if it was a world beater then i would buy one but it isn't its an average spec machine with a high price tag (maybe later it will be cheaper) but its not an Intel I7 980X or AMD X6.
I really do wish you luck but i think you went for a very weird middle ground in pricing and in specs for this PC (yes PC which means personal computer.....) and like i said it just doesn't grab me by the Ba*** and shake me to rush out and buy one.
Good luck and all the best with the X1000 i do hope you sell all of them and make a profit.

Fine
There is also people that is willing to support the dream of having (in the near future) a usable Amiga home computer (could be MOS or AROS not just AOS) and "dream", at least at home, to avoid using Windows.

That dream pass through different steps (any NG format has its own different paradigm/approach), but the good thing is, I see exciting developments on all camps, which will definitely bring good fruits down the line (even cheaper but powerful machines as far as AOS is concerned).

[DAX]

ajlwalker
and what does OS4 do that is so special? that can't be on on my PC. i like OS4 but it's a hobby OS for me.
Everyone and I include were referring to the A1000 launch since that was the start of Amiga and it was way ahead of its time, and since references in it name and other places refer to the A1000 why shouldn't i compare them. i have never mentioned any other Amiga and your wrong the CD32 was ahead in the console market for its time..
Comes down to Average Spec high price where is the bang for the buck??
In your response to you claim that the other Amiga's where not cutting edge but except for the A4000 the other were much cheaper then what is on offer today even in 1990's terms.
This is a hobbyist computer but they have priced it out of reach of the large majority if you want to spend that kind of money then go right ahead i am not stopping you.
My hope is they make a better or cheaper version next time around

I believe that what he meant was that those Amiga he mentioned were loved for other reasons not because they were cutting edge.
AmigaOS4 for YOU does nothing I'm sure, but this machine is not aimed at classic users with an interest in the platform. Trevor Dickinson spoke many times at amigaworld.net and it is clear he and his friend (a partner with which he invested in a lot of successful venture before) are not willing to put in the kind of money needed for a mainstream machine (you need to order several tens of thousands pieces which are HUGE money) untill they evolve the platform and test the "pulse" of it all.

The X1000 is mainly aimed at developers and AOS4 aficionados with deep pockets, potentially more appealing machines might come down the line, so stay tuned (and in the mean time why don't you try a cheaper option?)

[DAX]

LOL you mean Sam or others No thanks i will wait until you make a better one..
or Natami or FPGA Arcade come out (actually i have put aside money for all 3 plus some C64 stuff). It true i don't use any of the AOS for day to day stuff BUT i would like to when they can offer the Apps i need and are more mature.
But at least we are living in these very interesting time can't wait for everything to come to fruition.
Good luck with everything and keep us posted. In all fairness i am not against this system and i never have been my only issue is its pricing and specs.

FYI I'm not part of the development team, just a fan speaking here
Anyway, I actually meant AROS or MorphOS