Hyperion bankrupt?

[Heiroglyph]

Since we're discussing cars and bankruptcy...

I just bought a new-ish Camaro and gave my oldest son the 97 Firebird I've been driving forever.

After having the car for two days (tonight) he calls me and says that "there was a loud noise so I pulled over and when I put it in park, it still rolls".

He's broken either a u-joint (I hope) or the drive shaft or something. Not sure which yet.

I just now got it towed back home, so now I know what I'm doing for the weekend.:pint:

[Heiroglyph]

U-joints aren't too bad.  Hope the repairs don't leave you bankrupt!  

Yeah, I hope it's something expendable like that. I'd hate to go scrounging for a driveshaft this weekend.

Hopefully it didn't flop too much when whatever it is came loose.

This just wasn't what I had planned when I budgeted for getting that car last week.

[Heiroglyph]

All these posters in love with cars yet no-one wanted an electric car forum, very odd.

I'm not really interested in current electric cars, but old and current gasoline cars appeal to me, much like old, accessible computers as opposed to OS 4.1 on custom hardware.

Neither Tesla nor Hyperion really get any money from me. To me, the price of entry is too high to justify the limited range of use.

Muscle cars have an emotional attachment for me that is very similar to Amigas.

I'll dump money into a classic car that will never handle or accelerate as well as a Tesla, but a Tesla just doesn't do it for me emotionally.

My new-ish Camaro is sort of like MorphOS. It's not a real classic, but the performance is better, it's comfortable, it tries to resemble a classic and it's affordable.

[Heiroglyph]

@thread

guys, i know you're having a good time, but we're starting to get complaints about all of the car-talk in this thread. please open a new thread to continue, but further posts need to be on the subject of the thread.

-- eliyahu

Sorry, I just thought it was funny that it went that direction.

It's nice that discussion of an Amiga related legal matter hasn't turned into a flame and speculation nightmare though.

That was more unexpected than the car talk.

[Heiroglyph]

So, finally, what is Amiga and what isn't? It is the same freaking oldtimer it was 20 years ago. That stuff can be modernized, slightly, for the joy of it. That is, actually, a small niche market in the same sense rebuilding old cars is a small niche market. Trying to change this definition means just ignoring the situation.

I feel the same way, it's a hobby and there is a little money to be made in the market, but don't expect to get rich from it or take over the world.

I've never understood why the push to develop exclusively on PPC when there are still users clamoring for 68k upgrades and bug fixes.

I understand that there's a market for a next gen Amiga. I get that. But why kill off the existing market? Why double-down on yet another failing CPU after the writing was on the wall (over 10 years ago)?

I'd pay for an updated 680x0 OS, yet that's not an option. They had an existing customer base, but ignored it in favor of moving them out of "old classic cars" and into cars designed for use ten years ago instead.

The business model makes no sense in that context, does it?

There has been a market here all along, but it's not the market they want, so they left the money on the table.

[Heiroglyph]

I wouldn't care much who made it, whoever has the rights to do so. There is much room for improvement in 68k OS3.9. OS 3.9 (and 3.5) was made after Commodore and most of users consider them as official update for AmigaOS do why not make 3.9.1.

How about a ROM that can find a CDRom to boot so I can ditch my slowly decaying boot floppies?

An OS that has Thors updates to layers?
All those improvements that are in OS4 only that just need to be compiled for 68k?
Picasso96 officially built in with the improvements in OS4?

There are a ton of things that could be done without a huge investment if someone had the rights to do so.

[Heiroglyph]

so, its there, just in form of patches and not as official as few would like. consider this an obstacle thrown in your way. whose fault is this?

My original point was that there were avenues to making a little money that have been written off.

It just seems incomprehensible that 68k users were only seen as a pool of users to court as opposed to addressing their needs.

It's like making them come to you vs. going to them.

[Heiroglyph]

Open sourcing it might be nice, but I'd just like to see it being maintained and updated by professionals.

Open or not, unless you have a strong project leader, you're going to get people going off in left field doing crazy additional stuff that drags down the project and breaks compatibility.

With cash on the line, I think there is honestly more incentive to stay on track and produce something of value.

If someone can make a little money there, good for them, I'm willing to pay for quality work.

Also, I may be inferring too much, but it sounded like Cloanto only had access what was released by Commodore. To me, that seems like binaries, documentation and probably the NDK.

I never heard anything about Cloanto and source code.

[Heiroglyph]

classic amiga without ppc is underpowered overpriced crap.

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Making software for this crap is simply stupid.

Decision to not suport 68k crap was very wise.
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This thread has stayed relatively drama free, please don't break that trend. There's no need for this type of name calling.

Nobody is saying 68k or even PPC can keep up with newer hardware or think it will take over the market.

We established long ago that this is a hobby platform, but there are a lot of people who still use it and would like updates to the OS, so lets continue to discuss it in a civil manner please.

[Heiroglyph]

The license would still be propriety ...

I think the point was that it wasn't lost as has often been rumored.

[Heiroglyph]

It's an interesting text, but it's not really news. We have been told the same things with just less details in 2013:

http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=1010
http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=863

Unfortunately, still doubling down on PPC. Sigh...

Good news for multi-core PPC users if they survive long enough to make it work and it might set precedence for other AOS like platforms.

I'd be a lot more hopeful if they would say anything in support of the 68k platform though.

SMP in AOS4 just makes them less compatible to the other platforms.

[Heiroglyph]

@Heiroglyph

depending how you define the precedence. apparently arix, an unseen derivate of aros has set a precenedce on it some time ago. and knowing some devs who achieved it, especially jason i trust it being a fact.
http://www.arixfoundation.com/screenshots/
the other thing is how much of advantage it is when actually implemented. since it isnt of any actual use but rather a handicap for software available so far it sounds rather like a technical excersize, a proof of concept it you will. same as the extended memory support os4 seems to provide beyond the 2 gig barrier or the x-core chip. stuff you like to read about but will never use.

Isn't that still a secret tease-only project?

I tend to ignore stuff like that (Natami, various FPGA projects) until I have the potential to actually try them myself.

Not that I'm not interested, but it's vaporware until it's available.

[Heiroglyph]

@Yasu

We have said in the past posts we would be open to making our software compatible on MOS and porting it over if there is a commercial demand for it.

We have had a good amount of feedback from AmigaOS 3 users who want to have updated software.  The new PPaint sales for Classic Amigas have been better than anticipated so far, so it seems there is a small market for AmigaOS 3.x software still

@wawrzon

Yes Warp3D is now acquired by A-EON.  We hope to invest in this further for Classic Amiga- up until now, development has been stagnant for many years.

That's all very good news. Glad to hear it!

Now, work on that updated AOS problem and take all my money.

[Heiroglyph]

I know, but you keep coming back to "AmigaOS 4". I have a hard time believing that there are so many more AmigaOS 4 users that it makes commercial sense and that MorphOS users are so few that it doesn't. If anything they should be about as many on both camps. Maybe AOS 4 users open their wallets more willingly but still.

Is it even that easy to tell when MorphOS users buy AOS3 compatible software?

Maybe some of those blips on the radar were actually from MOS users.

Combine AOS3 and MorphOS and there can't possibly be more AOS4 users.