OS 4.1 Update 3 Released

[takemehomegrandma]

It's a bit puzzling why they have a beta tester program for the X1000, when they obviously don't believe in beta testing their stuff before releasing it to their customers. The number of posts from people having problem with OS4.1.3 struck me with surprise, as did the nature of the problems. Well, it seems like the people who gradually have been bringing Linux drivel into previous OS4.1.x releases, now have brought the world famous "Plug & Pray" concept as well. Wow, overwhelming...

[takemehomegrandma]

Well "sorting it" was disabling USB 2.0 support on my machine

Bummer, but not to worry, it seems their USB2 implementation wasn't really that fast anyway (maybe they are sending all the data over the serial debug as well? ), so maybe you aren't really missing out on anything here? And maybe they will make a 4.1.4 in a few months, who knows...?

[takemehomegrandma]

I'll be honest, not too fussed about USB, I only use it for mouse/kb.  The MUI issue bothers me more, pretty much every MUI app locks the system up and crashes with the latest MUI for me and Voodoo (another user on AW).

Hmm, a problem indeed, especially considered the soon to be released (?) ports of Fab's Odyssey browser and mplayer version to OS4.1.3, that both needs the updated MUI-stuff AFAIK...?

[takemehomegrandma]

This is cool, but why do people need to be so negative?

It's not about positive/negative, but the fact that Hyperion now has released, to their paying customers(!), a piece of software that seems to be totally untested and probably not even finished developing in the first place. How they can do this is mind-boggling. They apparently are completely clueless. IMHO this puts the "X1000 booting OS4.1.3" thread in completely new light.

This must be the worst OS4 release *ever* (but what can you expect when you beg your paying customers to handle the OS development for you), it's obviously breaking the most fundamental and basic things for many users (like MUI and USB) that at least seemed to be working in OS4.1.2!

And this is how the Lead Developer comments this:

"Both IBrowse and YAM are 3rd party so I suggest you talk to the author(s) directly."
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=271#p3491

I mean, OMG! Can't believe I'm reading that! Like: "We ****ed up the OS so the 3rd party apps you have been using for a decade suddenly don't work anymore, but that's not our fault". I'm out of words, don't know what to say. I'm just amazed...

[takemehomegrandma]

I don't believe that there really is an X1000 beta test program.

I do, but it's not really about beta testing, but a pre-payment scheme to finance R&D and production of the X1000 board, since I very much doubt any bank would go anywhere near this. High stake gambling.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ ferrels and takemehomegrandma

You guys are unbelievable! A couple guys run into some problems and you make it sound like everyone doing update 3 is trashing their installs and blowing up their hardware.

Not everyone, but certainly not "a couple of guys" either! If you browse the forums you'll be overwhelmed by the sheer amount of problems, and perhaps even more so by *the nature* of the problems. And this only in the first day after release. They can't possibly have done even the most rudimentary beta testing on this one.

I think it was said that this would mainly be a bugfix release, and frankly, there aren't that many *new* features in there, this was meant to clean up the mess form OS4.1.2. But not only did they manage to not get rid of all the old bugs, but also to introduce a whole generation of new ones!

With this kind of project management, the X1000 isn't heading for mass production -- it's mess production.

And when the lead developer starts blaming third party application developers for some of the most common apps suddenly not working anymore, then you understand the level of professionalism behind this mess. This is a kind of debacle that would lead to people getting fired -- had anyone been employed as professionals that is. But no, this is more like a roadshow circus on a hobby basis; "Wanna try out being a clown? Come join us! The result doesn't really matter, only that we have fun in the process."

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OK, so when will they squeeze out OS4.1.3.1 to correct this?

Just two more weeks?

:rolleyes:

[takemehomegrandma]

A "clean install" usually means a stock install with no third party tools.  So I'm wiping out my system and installing fresh installs this week.

If that would have been a requirement, they should have released it as an ISO instead. Wiping you HDD clean, installing OS4.1.0, OS4.1.1 on top of that, OS4.1.2 on top of that, just to be able to install OS4.1.3 on top of that is just hilarious!

ssolie wrote:

The update will be distributed as a downloadable archive only. There is no ISO option.

That's a shame. I've been waiting for update 3 to come out before I setup my Sam but I was looking forward to the simplicity of doing a clean install from 1 CD instead of having to install and then update.

You double click the Update 3 install icon and hit next a few times. I think you can handle it. :p

Link

Since the requirements *was not* a "clean system", but very much the opposite (given their choosen update method), they should at least have made the installer check for problematic SW or settings during the installation process. If some old MUI class doesn't play well with the new MUI engine, it should have been made harmless by the installer. And so on. That's what beta testing is about.

But they obviously never tested it, and never developed it all the way. Which OTOH fits their usual pattern, so nobody could really be surprised...

[takemehomegrandma]

Not really.  AFAIK older Mac users apparently can only upgrade to Lion by having an existing OS in the first place and downloading the upgrade, so I'm not sure I see the difference.

I think there was a similar thing in Windows95 (or was it win 98?)

But does that make it *a good way* then? Especially since your update script seems to demand a clean-slate install anyway?

I mean, *you could* also do it like this:

http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.0.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.1.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.2.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.3.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.4.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.5.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.6.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.7.iso

Of course there is an upgrade option in the installer.

From many comments on various forums, it seems to me that this is what the customers wants? I don't see the point in denying it to them?

I mean, what's the problem?

[takemehomegrandma]

A clean partition is not required, update 3 only requires Update 2 to already have been installed.

Well, what was the latest version released as a complete ISO then? OS4.1.2? OS4.1.1? To make a clean-slate install you would have to start from there (wherever that is), and then start adding all subsequent updates, one after another, until you have reached the latest one...

The situation is no different on MorphOS

...which is very different from the MorphOS way. You can download any of the above MorphOS versions and boot/install directly from the CD. Clean-slate, or upgrade, your choice. But here is the thing - you don't have to! The reason to why only the latest version is linked to from the MorphOS Team's webpage, is because that's all you'll need! No need to install x amounts of prior OS versions, and then upgrade from that.

Only one download needed, always, and it's an ISO, always!

MorphOS hides the real MorphOS system files in a way that is not done on OS4.

Yes, and this didn't happen by a random coincidence, it was a design decision. And a very good and clever decision too, with hindsight to this OS4.1.3 release (and others as well)! Upgrades goes much smoother on MorphOS, thanks to this!

But there have been many cases where users have replaced Morphos classes or system files then run into problems.

If some moron breaks all recommendations and instructions and starts removing or modifying things in the system's exclusive, "don't-touch" MOSSYS, and starts relying on that, rather than use the proper user-space SYS for this, then they are completely on their own when it's time to update, and they have only themselves to blame for any problems. The "moron-protection" only goes that far you know... :p

That is no different than OS4.

All this is obviously *very* different from OS4...

[takemehomegrandma]

I do not appreciate being personally attacked and my work berated

I am absolutely convinced that I am not the only one looking at your performance, and the state of your work you released, in exactly the way I described. You want appreciation? Earn it!

when you don't even use the product in question.

I will never again use OS4.x.x, that's for sure, but that doesn't stop me from being interested in it and follow its "development". I will continue to do so, thank you very much.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Matt_H

Good pictures. Those graphs makes sense.

[takemehomegrandma]

Effectively you have two sys: assignments which is not required for OS4 since it *is* the original.

I like it

This has nothing to do about "original" or being "teh reeel!!1!!", HammerD is confused, MorphOS could easily have done that as well. But having the system files separated in a MOSSYS: and the users own files (as well as various more or less flaky installers who might mess things up in SYS) in the traditional SYS: is much cleaner and makes upgrades etc much more simple and safe. Had OS4 had an OS4SYS: in a similar way, you would have been spared at least some of the problems users are now experiencing with this upgrade, as some OS4 users now starts to realize (although Deniil715 is doing it "the other way around" for some reason).