Professionally published homebrew games.

[OlafS3]

Both Cammy and Amigakit have done a lot of good for Amiga users and the community - I'm sure they can find a way to co-operate, but Amigakit are a business in a small market so do need to drum up business and make money where they can.

In the post Power/Elbox Days of Amiga computing here in the UK, Amigakit are a reliable supplier of hardware and software products, and after-sales support that the community need.

Robert

Generally I dislike if Marketing is hammering on me and Amigakit has partly overdone it for some time with almost every posting including X1000 and links on their shop. From what I have seen it got better recently. Propably Cammy was already upset before on Amigakit.

Generally App-Stores are not so easy to do. You can install a normal Store (PHP/MySQL) and include Amiga-products but doing a App-Store that is running on amiga platforms including automatic payment needs a lot of programming and that costs (and has to be covered later). You also need to host it (what is not free of charge either). Theoretically people could program it free of charge but we all know there is a shortage of skilled programmers and obviously there was noone interested to do it.

We will soon have two competing App-Stores, one cross-platform and the other AmigaOS related, if that really makes sense in a small market is another topic. Both request money, I am ok with it as long as they offer services that help the customers (in this case both devs and users). There is no free lunch in the world.

@Cammy

As far as I know is the other App-Store hosting all apps/games for free, only if you sell something on the platform it costs something (you find the thread on aros-exec)

[OlafS3]

No I'm just making it all up.

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But this is just a distraction from my question: What happened to Cammy's original post.  Did she change it herself?

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"Last edited by Cammy; Yesterday at 01:36 PM.."

I would say yes. Otherwise there would be another name I think

She was obviously upset because Amigakit used the thread promoting their App Store including big pictures

Obviously after posting 7 and answer from amigakit in 8

[OlafS3]

Perhaps a little history of the conflict between Cammy and Amigakit may help explain why she got so emotional and left the forum.

Cammy has always found and supported smaller hardware inventors, manufacturers and sellers, as well as pointing out cheaper solutions direct from China being sold at a fraction of the cost of identical items being sold by Amigakit. She likes to help the little guy, both developers and consumers. This has annoyed Amigakit, who doesn't deal well with competition, especially when it shows how much overhead he has on some items.

Years pass and Cammy felt like she was bullied out of the community. She developed depression and stopped being productive. People eventually started to miss her and asked about her. I explained that she was in a very bad way and really needs some support, and for some reason this thread annoyed Amigakit and it was closed before Cammy could come back and reply herself. Others, who had expected such censorship already started another thread where they welcomed her back and convinced her to start posting again.

She has been wanting to talk about publishing homebrew Amiga games in boxes for collectors for a while, and so she spent a lot of time writing up the thread and finding heaps of example photos of boxed homebrew games. It wasn't about an app store at all, even though that is another idea Cammy had been discussing for years without much support.

So you can see why Amigakit barging in here and stomping on her dreams so soon after censoring a thread made by well-meaning community members to support her might upset her and drive her off.

Got depression because of bullied out of the community? She should not take all that so personal or better keep off if it harms her.

Pascal has posted here that related news were not published or very soon removed again. I will certainly post news regarding Aros and the App Store here, then we will see if this has really become a A-eon/Amigakit marketing platform like some people think.

[OlafS3]

@rebelCD32

I think there has been a few misunderstandings here and I want to set the record straight. That thread was closed from public consumption because a few concerned members here pointed out that it was a discussion of private personal matters without Cammy being present and volunteering that information.  I agreed with that view point because I considered that I would not want details of my private life discussed or viewed by other people on a public forum without first giving my permission or providing that information first hand for all to read.

I hope this clarifies the intention behind the action.

I apologise if I took the thread off topic with my post. It won't happen again.

@Olafs3
To my knowledge Pascal has not had any news items removed.  If a news item is not in a formal news format or more appropriately a forum discussion item (not news release worthy) then it will not get approved. There has been many AROS related threads approved for news though.

Then I do not understand why Pascal thinks this. Something must have happened, I do not believe he writes that without reason, expecially when he writes something was removed. Perhaps you can PM him and solve the misunderstanding.

And please, less aggressive marketing. We all know in the mean time that you work on your app store, it is your site, you can make banners here and you can make news items when you really have news, but please not everywhere and everytime. Cammy reacted expecially harsh on it, but I know of others who were also upset about it. You do no favor to you by it.

[OlafS3]

The censorship and closing of threads around here is getting ridiculous.

Its becoming very clear that you can't be critical of certain parties or
offer opinions counter to their wishes without your thread getting edited, locked
or just straight deleted.

couple days ago...
Someone was selling some thin clients loaded with amiga forever.

That thread got closed down by amigakit. Why?

Its getting ridiculous around here.

That is not completely true. In one of the ads he sold 1000 WHDLoad games preinstalled, that can indeed not be legal, then he used "Amiga" in his products, that certainly is problematic how we all know. If he used a fantasy name for the product, amigaforever (with license) preinstalled and no WHDLoad games it would have been ok. In none of the ads he mentioned Amigaforever, just that it includes the roms, I would have mentioned it when I include it with license.