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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2011, 03:55:38 AM »
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"We where here before you"? Ehm... I got my amiga -87 ...

In '87 I was the manager of a company that designed, built, and sold 68K based multi-user, multi-tasking computers.
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2011, 04:01:48 AM »
Quote from: stefcep2;642528
I don't want to get drawn into the Os4 v MOS argument, but I think its a missed opportunity that the two sides were never able to unite and create one OS to rule them all.  Its clear to me that neither has the resources on their own to create a complete Amiga experience thats near enough to being good enough to become a users only platform.   FFS, there are people now doing that with Linux (ecch!).

Remember, this is an argument we didn't start. Our OS predates theirs.
And I've never advocated an adversarial posture.
I like having Hyperion around.

But then, since I'm "pointless" this doesn't really matter.
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2011, 04:07:12 AM »
Quote from: commodorejohn;642532
Also, I freely admit to being an asshole and have never made any secret of my assholery.

Frankly sir, I congratulate you on that.
Everyone's got to have a hobby, and that one can be a worthwhile one if you do it well.
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2011, 04:13:56 AM »
Quote from: HotRod;642533
I find amigaworld.net more interesting, it also has different users but without as much "MOS GOOOD, AOS 4 BAAAAD" which is nice for a change from the past ten years. Gets a bit old.

No I found it entertaining for a while, not interesting or anything but that was about it. You're not making any points any more, you try to make me upset and it doesn't work. I like AOS 4 a lot but I also have a life you know. Life goes on without it too and I think it's sane to have that in mind. Those who I call sad are geting really upset if you say anything wrong about... well MOS... or anything that is negative... or not even that, they get mad if you talk about AOS 4 without mentioning MOS. That is not sane behaviour to me.

Oh now that's just not true.
I've been on AmigaWorld and there's just as much bias there.
And you're the only one posting negative comments about MorphOS.
Just because OS4 can't stand up to a comparison with MOS without falling on its face, you resort to personal attacks and insults.
I like discussing OS4 and wholly believe it could have a future.

I'm just wondering why the users are always on the defensive or the offensive.
Objectivity does not seem to be the average OS4 users forte.
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2011, 04:26:24 AM »
*MOS GOOD, AOS 4 BAD*

You keep repeating that, but I don't think I've ever said anything like that.
I guess if I had thousands tied up in underpowered computer hardware and software, I'd be defensive too.
If you guys are this bad with only the SAMs to tout (unless you count the Pegasos, a  MorphOS machine, which is your highest performer), how bad is it going to get when the X1000 is finally introduced?
If a G5 Mac outperforms it, can you get whinier still?
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2011, 04:31:01 AM »
Quote from: Franko;642539
@ All

Ach fur gawds sake geeza brek wid ye... :furious:

I dunno, I pop out into the real world for just one day (and yes it's still there, just outside me front door) and come back to find World War OS 3 Vs 4 has broken out... :(

Calm down ladies & gents, take a long slow deep breath and hold it for about 2 day's and you'll find all is right with the world and fairies do exist... :)

You'd never catch me getting involved in such childish and silly arguments... no siree, not me, never... :)

(I usually just start them and then bugger off and watch the fur fly with a nice bag of popcorn, pancakes & Pepsi (Don't like Coke... :( Pepsi rulez ... :))

PS: Me dog just died (yet again) I demand a refund... :(

Oh look a nice shiny silver teaspoon... where me polish... my bum just fell off... 2 plus 2 makes a boiled egg... waaay down upon the swanee river... I did it myyyyy waaaaaaay... :)

Why hello FrankO!
I was wondering how you'd missed the drama.
Try telling Hotrod here that you might consider OS4 on an X1000.
He's convinced we're all conspiring to bully him.

Frankly, I don't think most OS3 users want to move to OS4.

They want a Natami (or other board).
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2011, 04:35:41 AM »
Quote from: HotRod;642542
U Are you the biggest camp?  

Actually, we might be.
Hyperion hasn't released any sales numbers.

Quote from: HotRod;642542
Anyway time for bed. Have a good night sleep, I know I will :)

Thank god for that as I too am out of here.

Feel free to stop back Hotrod.
We all love a good argument (or an argument anyway).
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2011, 05:02:14 AM »
Quote from: klx300r;642548
@ HotRod

Time to take a break my friend...but honestly, what did you think your thread would have accomplished here of all places:confused:
I agree with you that the usual MOS supporters must always jump in & spam/troll on any OS4 related thread but hey the mods allow it so that's not going to change any time soon here


the mods allow it

Actually they don't allow spamming.
And they will flag you for inappropriate language if there is a complaint (but assholery just isn't enough of a serious insult to consider that).
If you can't take valid points, if your OS of choice is the weakest alternative (but it's the 'official' AmigaOS), then don't post questions related to it.

Its as stupid as defending Bill McEwen.
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2011, 01:57:52 PM »
Quote from: Kesa;642580
Iggy: He started it!

Hotrod: No, HE started it!

Iggy: He started it!

Hotrod: No, HE started it!

Iggy: That's not fair!

Hotrod: That's it. I'm telling mommy!

Too funny!  :roflmao:

Thanks Kesa.
I don't even remember advocating moving from OS3 to MOS. I just responded to some negative comments.
As far as I'm concerned you can use whatever you want.

Just don't make statement you're not willing to back up, then whine that the moderators aren't cutting other people off when they disagree with you.
That's childish.

I really did hit the sack right after my last post.
I've got to check out theOS3>MOS thread.
There's probably something there to get bent about.
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2011, 04:30:57 PM »
Quote from: smerf;642643
Quote from: Iggy;642612
Thanks Kesa.

Iggy sez ==>I don't even remember advocating moving from OS3 to MOS. I just responded to some negative comments.

smerf sez ==> He is getting so bad on MOS that he doesn't even really notice. (maybe time for meds).





Iggy sez ==> As far as I'm concerned you can use whatever you want.

smerf sez ==> As long as it is MOS on a MAC



Iggy sez ==> Just don't make statement you're not willing to back up, then whine that the moderators aren't cutting other people off when they disagree with you.
That's childish.

smerf sez ==> a lot of people accuse me of backing up to hard  and being a hard head.

Iggy sez ==> I really did hit the sack right after my last post.

smerf sez ==> Thank God for small miracles

Iggy sez ==.I've got to check out theOS3>MOS thread.

smerf sez ==> Oh no he's back and here we go again.

Iggy sez ==> There's probably something there to get bent about.

smerf sez ==> Here is the kicker, wait till he reads this.

Have a nice day Iggy

smerf

Guilty as charged!
Am I now about to be sentenced to an eternity in hell with only OS4 as an operating system?

I still like the pancake on the rabbit, Smerf.
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2011, 05:47:21 PM »
Quote from: smerf;642646
Hi,

@Iggy,

We couldn't do that to you OS 4.X is to horrible for anyone.

Maybe we could hook up magnetic to 4.X

smerf

Nah, Smerf,
We couldn't do that to mag even after the childish back and forth with Franko. He not really that bad a guy.

Quote from: HotRod;642652
Hahahahahahahahahaaa, what a bunch of babies :D . This is kindergarten level. The comments and the new thread. Making a protest like a little child. Oh well I guess that it is what I expected. The brain hasn't developed since the age of five :D . Are you asking your mom to read this too? :p

Hey! Toad boy! You're awake! Greetings.
The second thread was started by one of your allies and quickly spun off into a discussion of OS4.
Btw - How old did you say you were? The level of your comments makes your age suspect.
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2011, 06:29:53 PM »
Quote from: NorthWay;642660
I didn't know there was a 68K release of 4.x?

Ha! would you use it if it was?

Quote from: NorthWay;642660
What does MOS have to do with this?

Something about MOS users being the hellborne spawn of Satan (or something like that I think). More paranoid rantings from the OS4 crowd that we always spoil their party.

I think its OS envy.
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2011, 06:57:39 PM »
Quote from: gazgod;642677
every religion needs a devil ;)

Ah well, then I guess I'll take that role. The devil you know being preferable to the God you will never fathom.

Btw - How old do YOU think Hotrod is?
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2011, 07:00:56 PM »
Quote from: SamuraiCrow;642681
Summary:  MOS is better than AOS 4 but neither runs on a classic Amiga in stock configuration, so the point is rather moot.

Good point , SC!
In fact, neither runs that well on an enhanced Amiga. So if you replace the handle and the head is your grandfathers axe still an Amiga?
We don't make that pretense.
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2011, 01:14:01 AM »
Quote from: the_leander;642723
CJ didn't get where he is today by not understanding thinly disguised evangelism you know.

I'm off for the better part of 2 months and all this happens...

And I'll stick with 3.x until AROS-68k comes of age. That fpga Arcade board really does look rather tasty. None of that ghastly PPC nonsense for me my lad!


Mike's board does look interesting.
But what do I know? Hotrod says I'm a retard and I'm using "that ghastly PPC nonsense".  ;)

Since I graduated College with Honors I'm not too worried about Hotrod's opinion, but the PPC thing seems shaky at times (I already lost the bet when I was working with 68K hardware).
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Re: Aos 3 -> aos 4
« Reply #29 from previous page: June 06, 2011, 02:51:57 AM »
Quote from: smerf;642834
Hi,

@HotRod,

I have a classic Amiga 1200, no graphics card, so I am stuck running OS 4.1 on it in AGA mode. I also have a Blizzard PPC 240 mhz for OS 4.1. which takes approximately 2 and one half minutes to load up almost 1 minute slower than windows XP. Now on my A1200 running on OS 3.9 it boots up in 30 seconds and can run Aminet 18 modplayer while I play one of my favorite games Soliton (I pick this game because it is on both OS's) If I try to play Aminet 18 on OS 4.1 the modplayer freezes up the system on loading, but I have mods that I have transferred over and play them on OS 4.1's SimplePlay. Now listening to my mods with SimplePlay and running Soliton is like slow, the system just can't handle it. Constant freeze ups and constant stalling with the cards. I do not have this problem with OS 3.9.
Now I don't know what an AmigaOne can do because I really don't like buying old archaic junk. PPC's to me are old archaic and dead. The reason I have my PPC is because I bought it when I thought the PPC's where going to be the thing of the future for the Amiga back in 1995 (if I remember right) I paid $399 for it at Software Hut. Heck it has been so long I may even be wrong on the price. Then I waited for OS 4.0 to come out, then when it did come out my Amiga was in storage in the Attic, since I had to move to Pennsyltucky with my job. So now that I have it and now that I have used it I am highly disappointed with the PPC's operation, multi-tasking and sound reproduction. As I said I cannot rate the AmigaOne because it to is an orphan computer. I wanted to say dead but some people still have them and use them. Will I put OS 3.0 back on my A1200, for now no, I have my A4000 using OS 3.9, and my A1200 will run OS 4.1 for now, so I can see what it will do.

smerf

Well stated Smerf.
My Mac boots MorphOS in slightly more then 30 seconds. I don't know what OS4 can do on something faster (like a SAM), but on a legacy system both MorphOS and OS4 are of questionable value.
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