Aos 3 -> aos 4

[Franko]

Why hello FrankO!
I was wondering how you'd missed the drama.
Try telling Hotrod here that you might consider OS4 on an X1000.
He's convinced we're all conspiring to bully him.

Frankly, I don't think most OS3 users want to move to OS4.

They want a Natami (or other board).

@ Hotrod

It's dolly dimple... OS3 rules ya bass...

@ TheRestOfYou

Stop picking on Hotrod he can't help his disposition, being an OS4 supporter is an incurable ailment and is beyond the scope of modern day medicine...

Sufferers of OS4eitis should be treated with warmth and compassion by those of us with an extra brain cell and OS3.x (or skelped across the napper with a big wooden mallet, the choice is yours)...

Now watch, listen & learn... me I'm off to bed... night night...

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[amigadave]

Ooh, I hope we get some benchmarks. I'm gonna laugh myself sick if a $2200 custom box is outperformed by a five-year-old computer you can get for $100-450.
(Or $30-375, if you're willing to take a banged-up case. Says a lot about Apple fans that that's a viable discount approach!)

I would like to see those benchmarks too, but I am pretty sure how the results are going to stack up already.  A X1000 @2.0GHz running AOS4.x will lose against a 5 or 6 year old PowerMac G5 @2.7GHz running MorphOS2.x in every category.  I think it will lose to the G5 even if the clock rates are the same, due to the superiority of the performance of MorphOS2.x over AOS4.x, but we will have to wait and see (and it may be a long wait).

Well, if you are going to pay the "Apple Tax", you want your G4, or G5 system to be "puuuurrrrrty", don't you?  That fancy Apple engineering & design is worth as much as the old PPC systems that are inside, so if you are going to purchase an old Mac, you want it to look good, as the money spent surely is not practical, compared to the performance you could get from any Intel system of the generic variety.

I should know, I just swapped G5 tower cases to put my dual 2.7GHz G5 system into a nicer case that had previously had a dual 2.0GHz G5 system inside of it.  Now I am patiently waiting for the completion of MorphOS2.25 that will support the G5 systems.  Since we are only at version 2.7 now, I am ready for a long wait.

Anyone want to buy a slightly scuffed dual 2.0GHz G5 PowerMac?

[HotRod]

@ HotRod

Time to take a break my friend...but honestly, what did you think your thread would have accomplished here of all places:confused:
I agree with you that the usual MOS supporters must always jump in & spam/troll on any OS4 related thread but hey the mods allow it so that's not going to change any time soon here

I thought that some would give honest answers and lots would troll and I would say that is exactly what happened. I'm old enough to just be amused of what they write and not care since it is the same peope writing the same things they've always written. On the other hand it is fun to reply only to see some of them get upset.

Anyway it was fun for one night. Must say that NetSurf served me well.

[commodorejohn]

Anyone want to buy a slightly scuffed dual 2.0GHz G5 PowerMac?

Damn, now you ask! I've got an older model on the way, and I was just going to remove the Brutalist cheese grater from the exterior and put on some nice relaxing plywood anyway...

Then again, I suppose you wouldn't be taking $75 off a $100 price tag for having a dinged case now, would you

[Iggy]

@ HotRod

Time to take a break my friend...but honestly, what did you think your thread would have accomplished here of all places:confused:
I agree with you that the usual MOS supporters must always jump in & spam/troll on any OS4 related thread but hey the mods allow it so that's not going to change any time soon here

the mods allow it

Actually they don't allow spamming.
And they will flag you for inappropriate language if there is a complaint (but assholery just isn't enough of a serious insult to consider that).
If you can't take valid points, if your OS of choice is the weakest alternative (but it's the 'official' AmigaOS), then don't post questions related to it.

Its as stupid as defending Bill McEwen.

[amigadave]

Damn, now you ask! I've got an older model on the way, and I was just going to remove the Brutalist cheese grater from the exterior and put on some nice relaxing plywood anyway...

Then again, I suppose you wouldn't be taking $75 off a $100 price tag for having a dinged case now, would you

No, my case is not really in bad shape.  It just has a few more scuff marks than I liked and since I had a better case with the dual 2.0GHz model, I just decided to swap them.  Both cases are in pretty good shape, with no dents, or real dings in them.  I have seen some really abused G5 cases on eBay and makes me wonder what the hell those owners were doing with their computers to get them in that bad of shape.  Personally, I like the G5 "cheese grater" case looks, but for it's size and weight, there is less room inside than I would like.  The older G4 PowerMac case I have has lots more room inside, is easier to work on since the motherboard flops down when you open it up and does not have the PSU positioned under a potentially dangerous leaking coolant system.  The G4 plastic case is not as stylish as the aluminum G5 case, but it is much better in many other ways.  If the G4, or G5 motherboards were a standard size and layout, I would probably move both systems into a custom case that I liked better.  (I am typing this message from the dual 2.7GHz G5 system that I find preferable to my x86 Quad Core box sitting right next to it).

[HotRod]

No, my case is not really in bad shape.  It just has a few more scuff marks than I liked and since I had a better case with the dual 2.0GHz model, I just decided to swap them.  Both cases are in pretty good shape, with no dents, or real dings in them.  I have seen some really abused G5 cases on eBay and makes me wonder what the hell those owners were doing with their computers to get them in that bad of shape.  Personally, I like the G5 "cheese grater" case looks, but for it's size and weight, there is less room inside than I would like.  The older G4 PowerMac case I have has lots more room inside, is easier to work on since the motherboard flops down when you open it up and does not have the PSU positioned under a potentially dangerous leaking coolant system.  The G4 plastic case is not as stylish as the aluminum G5 case, but it is much better in many other ways.  If the G4, or G5 motherboards were a standard size and layout, I would probably move both systems into a custom case that I liked better.  (I am typing this message from the dual 2.7GHz G5 system that I find preferable to my x86 Quad Core box sitting right next to it).

Have fun with your old macs. Oh and lets hope that the old and slow gfxcards doesn't break, a new is expensive. The same goes for the cpu and even the clock battery. Can't take what? I have not one single issue with any of the comments here. They are stupid and makes me laugh. I got a powermac by the way. There are a video at youtube showing why macos x is better on the same hardware. Check it out :-) . Oh and I tried it on my amigaone and it worked fine. Good night loooosers :-)

[HotRod]

the mods allow it

Actually they don't allow spamming.
And they will flag you for inappropriate language if there is a complaint (but assholery just isn't enough of a serious insult to consider that).
If you can't take valid points, if your OS of choice is the weakest alternative (but it's the 'official' AmigaOS), then don't post questions related to it.

Its as stupid as defending Bill McEwen.

The only thing stupid is trying to stop people from having a different opinion. That is exactly where the "sad little man" fits in. Close minded and truely religious. It is even beyond stupid but it includes stupidity.

[commodorejohn]

Have fun with your old macs. Oh and lets hope that the old and slow gfxcards doesn't break, a new is expensive. The same goes for the cpu and even the clock battery.

A new AGP 8x card can be had for as little as $30 - my P4 desktop is using a NOS GeForce 7600 that I got for $60. That's, let's see...2.7% of the cost of an X1000, or 6% the cost of a SAM 460...yeah, it would totally be a disaster if the video card broke, all right.

[HotRod]

A new AGP 8x card can be had for as little as $30 - my P4 desktop is using a NOS GeForce 7600 that I got for $60. That's, let's see...2.7% of the cost of an X1000, or 6% the cost of a SAM 460...yeah, it would totally be a disaster if the video card broke, all right.

A PowerMac got a different version than the PC, don't you know that? What do you know and why do you mention your old PC for?

[commodorejohn]

It's AGP Pro, which is an official extension to the standard, and it's backwards-compatible with normal AGP. Apple shipped it with (barely) custom cards, but it will work with standard AGP.

Also, I'm seeing a number of AGP Pro cards on Google Product Search for $15-20, so...nope, not seeing this whole "expensive" thing.

[HotRod]

It's AGP Pro, which is an official extension to the standard, and it's backwards-compatible with normal AGP. Apple shipped it with custom cards, but it will work with standard AGP.

Yes but the mac firmware reads the BIOS on the card which must have PPC code. There are recent threads about how you can reflash some old PC graphicscards. Have fun.

[commodorejohn]

I will, thanks!

[HotRod]

It's AGP Pro, which is an official extension to the standard, and it's backwards-compatible with normal AGP. Apple shipped it with (barely) custom cards, but it will work with standard AGP.

Also, I'm seeing a number of AGP Pro cards on Google Product Search for $15-20, so...nope, not seeing this whole "expensive" thing.

Besides... you and noone else here got nothing that you can say that will hurt me, make me sad, make me jelous. These are the reason:

It seems that I got more and better computers than any of you.

Even if AOS 4 should die and the Amiga should vanish I'm fine with that, there are other things in life that are way more important, it is fun while it lasts, if it lasts and I enjoy it, great and if not I use something else.

I can hurt every one of you though because you pray to your MOS gods obviously so I can upset you whenever I want to, it is really easy to do, your nuts IMO. I don't take it that seriously at all.

But like I wrote the fun is over, the serious part of this thread ended a long time ago. And please buy that powermac and mos, you seem to belong there.

[commodorejohn]

I've never been trying to hurt you or make you jealous - I'm just highly amused by your insecurity. If you enjoy OS4 that's great, have a good time with it. Problem is, you can't accept that other people might not feel OS4 is the best solution for them, so you start an evangelism thread thinly disguised as a question about why people don't switch to it, then get all worked up when people start actually explaining why they don't like it. If you really like OS4 that much, why are you so insecure that you allow other people's disagreement to get to you so much? Just do your own thing and don't worry about whether other people are playing along.

And really, you think you can hurt me? All you've done thus far is make me laugh and give my posting muscles a good workout

(And again, I'm not getting MorphOS - because, y'know, I'm not paying good money for an OS when there are equal or better options available for free. But that's okay, since the criteria for "MorphOS user" in your mind seem to consist solely of "doesn't like OS4, and isn't willing to pretend otherwise," I guess you might as well lump me in with your favorite bogeymen.)

[HotRod]

I've never been trying to hurt you or make you jealous - I'm just highly amused by your insecurity. If you enjoy OS4 that's great, have a good time with it. Problem is, you can't accept that other people might not feel OS4 is the best solution for them, so you start an evangelism thread thinly disguised as a question about why people don't switch to it, then get all worked up when people start actually explaining why they don't like it. If you really like OS4 that much, why are you so insecure that you allow other people's disagreement to get to you so much? Just do your own thing and don't worry about whether other people are playing along.

And really, you think you can hurt me? All you've done thus far is make me laugh and give my posting muscles a good workout

(And again, I'm not getting MorphOS - because, y'know, I'm not paying good money for an OS when there are equal or better options available for free. But that's okay, since the criteria for "MorphOS user" in your mind seem to consist solely of "doesn't like OS4, and isn't willing to pretend otherwise," I guess you might as well lump me in with your favorite bogeymen.)

Great, then we have both laughed but really, there's no doubt what you where trying to do even if it didn't work out.

Insecure about what? I really wanted to know since the groups are split in all kinds of directions I expected different answers and that is what i got. You claim that I am things that I'm not, you have really missunderstood the purpose and what actually is hard to grasp is that you still don't understand and still goes on claiming things that is not true.

Regarding doesn't like OS 4, no no no, if you look at the computer marked there would be quite a lot for people for me to not like if that was true. My closest friends all use PCs with all kinds of OSes on it, no problem. I talk to PC and Mac users all the time, no problem. Never anything like the behaviour from the MOS users though.

You claim that I don't grasp what you write but can't you see that it is the other way around? I tell you right here that you are wrong, what the perpose was. What is so hard to understand?