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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #14 from previous page: April 28, 2011, 05:05:47 PM »
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Someone could always try this -
http://www.amiga.com/about/contact/

Yeah, ask the former Gateway employee if the property was transferred properly to his company. That'll work. Like he doesn't have a vested interest in it. :roflmao:
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2011, 07:18:55 PM »
http://aminet.net/package/docs/misc/Amiga-Trademarks

Current trademarks as compiled by Christoph Gutjahr.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2011, 07:20:47 PM »
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http://aminet.net/package/docs/misc/Amiga-Trademarks

Current trademarks as compiled by Christoph Gutjahr.

Try and remember trademarks and copyrights are different. Trademarks have set expiration dates.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2011, 07:30:05 PM »
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I would think that The only way to really clear it up is to track down everyone that could even possibly have any connection to Amiga, and have each of them "relicense" all Amiga copyrights with a BSD style license.  Key would be to make sure that the copyrights they are licensing are worded broad enough to include anything and everything Amiga related.  We don't have to worry about Patents, as those have all expired anyway.

I say BSD instead of GPL because all of the source might not even be available, and it would mean that they wouldn't have to break any up stream owners/licenses.   Basically give the the out of "donating" whatever they may have, even if they don't know they have it.  Once you have made it to the end of the chain, AmigaOS is free.  Until then, you at least remove a bunch the elements in the debate over who owns it.

OR, we leave it rest where it is. Maintain and a reasonably cordial relationship with Hyperion where they don't attack AROS or MorphOS and we all work together.
Probably not going to happen, but a more realistic solution than asking the current claimants of the IP to give up their property rights.
I'm beginning to regret starting this thread because it will lead to contention and that isn't likely to foster any good.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2011, 09:12:16 PM »
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I think this is exactly what Hyperion is trying to do, but some other people don't seem to be able to let it rest ...

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Sorry I appear to have awakened this ancient evil. I should never have unleashed this. Damn you Dave Haynie.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2011, 04:43:57 PM »
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But C= does exist with it's original IP, minus what was sold to EScom/Acer/AI.  I think you would have a very tough time telling the Bahama court system that no one owns AOS and it's up for grabs.

Dammy, how does C= exist after liquidation?
And would a Bahamian court decision really matter to other countries?
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2011, 07:00:41 PM »
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Where in that post did I say that?
I would have thought it was obvious what I was suggesting but let me spell it out.
Ask for proof that this happened, not just ask if it did.

Not that I think you will get any but the reponse might be interesting.

Yeah, still not likely to work, but a response would be interesting.
As Escom did release 3.1 (although they may never have truly own the AOS IP), basing AInc's claim on 3.1 is slightly more realistic.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2011, 03:08:55 AM »
Glad to see this topic losing steam.
What started as a discussion about what I thought was a legitimate point, has gotten rather off topic.
My only interest was seeing how many of you thought that the botched Escom transfer rendered later IP claims invalid.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2011, 01:05:27 AM »
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The some subsidiaries still existed. Notably Commodore UK, which had plans to purchase the remnants of CBM in the bankruptcy liquidation.

A good point. I'm sure their contract would have been better written than the Escom contract (which fails to mention software IP).
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