MorphOS 2.0 Released

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what runs on it?

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ffastback wrote:
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bloodline wrote:

People on here talk about small dev teams and small volume sold to justify a high price... but, it's hard to accept when it is essentially just a luxuary item, not something that one actually needs!No one "needs" anything Amiga related anymore.  We could all be spending very little to run Ubuntu machines only at home.  Of course we could all eat tuna out of cans to save money and not go to any nice restaurants every once and a while.  We could all trade in the cars some of us own to get 60 MPG on a vespa scooter.  We could tell our wives that they never "need" a nice handbag from Coach.  Whats your bloody point?

 No one said it was a "need".  Its a luxury item as you say and its not making itself out to be anything but that.  Sure it can be a useful one, but a luxury item nonetheless.  The big difference is, while Coach makes a bundle on the handbag, and the ritzy restaurant makes a bundle on your meal, the MOS team is likely taking a loss on this whole affair.  The way you talk it would seem your advice to them would be not to develop anything at all.  Its a hobby and hobbies cost money, especially ones that have a small amount of hobbyists.

By "need" I think he meant is it of any use.  An operating system is no more than a means for running software.  Therefore what "What runs on it?" is a legitimate question,in the context of what an operating system's purpose for existing is. No-one NEEDS expensive jewellery: it IS a luxury item that serves no purpose other than as an adornment, but nobody expects anything else from it either.

An OS is not the same thing. Amiga's are still useful eg to play old games that only run on AmigaOS, to use productivity software that runs only on AmigaOS.  Sure there maybe better alternatives,but thats not the point.  Whether you can do ANY of this with Morphos is the question. YOU might consider it a worthwhile hobby to just be able to start up an OS so as to open and close a few directories, and gaze at the pretty icons and backdrops, for most other people the novelty will wear off pretty quickly if thats ALL you can do with it.  

This question is even more relevant given the fact that its not easy to find out what you can run on Morphos. (I tried before posting)  Thankfully (eventually) someone posted a link.

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I think the ridiculous high price tag on MOS 2.0 will make it less appealing to buyers and newcomers.  A lower pricetag would make all winners at the end.

I cant belive all the B#*$%ing & moaning I'm seeing all over the place about the price.

You guys must never try and buy Amiga stuff at its current market value. This is a steal for a modernized AmigaOS on $99 hardware thats faster then the old PPC boards.

I think a lot of the excitement generated by this release is related to the wishful thinking of most of us that there may, just may, be a second amiga coming.  Unfortunately our relity is that we have a duopoly of sorts in the commercial OS market, neither of which give us the freedom to really do what we want with out computers as AmigaOS once did, and the the open-source community is wasting resources releasing ever more Linux distros which no-one will ever use, mainly because it it the least intuitive OS of the lot.  And as far as Ubuntu goes its in danger of being the VHS, or the Windows of the Linux world: dominant but inferior.

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Tempest wrote:
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There are a lot of games for MOS:

Just to name a few: Virtual Grand Prix, Quake 1,2,3, Hexen, Hexen 2, Heretic2, Hypercannon, Freespace 1&2, Neverball, Openarena, OpenTD, ScummVM, Warzone2100 and more.

And of course all the classic PPC games like Wipeout, Payback, Hyperion games etc work fine too.

Lot's of emulators: Atari800, Basilisk2, Dosbox, e-uae, Frodo, genesisplus, FCEU, Hugo, Handy, MAME, Hatari, Snes, STonAmiga,TGEmu and more.
~Salvatore

how well do the emulators work?

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ffastback wrote:
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YOU might consider it a worthwhile hobby to just be able to start up an OS so as to open and close a few directories, and gaze at the pretty icons and backdrops, for most other people the novelty will wear off pretty quickly if thats ALL you can do with it.

But thats certainly not all you can do with it,......  So you make absolutely no point here IMO.  

THAT was my point.  I don't know much about Morphos, and it was, at the time difficult to find out if any software ran on it. The official site is minimalist in the extreme, and doesn't try to promote what software runs on it.  I had NO expectations of Morphos even be remotely close to having the software support that Apple or MS or even AmigaOS have, but it was not clear that ANYTHING worthwhile run on it at all. Ok so its about nostalgia, and therefore for existing users, its your money, but I doubt that many new users will go and buy this

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ffastback wrote:
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THAT was my point.  I don't know much about Morphos, and it was, at the time difficult to find out if any software ran on it. The official site is minimalist in the extreme, and doesn't try to promote what software runs on it.  I had NO expectations of Morphos even be remotely close to having the software support that Apple or MS or even AmigaOS have, but it was not clear that ANYTHING worthwhile run on it at all. Ok so its about nostalgia, and therefore for existing users, its your money, but I doubt that many new users will go and buy this

You say you don't know much about Morphos, and yet you felt comfortable enough to start talking about it being an OS that you could maybe close and open directories and gaze at pretty icons and backdrops, with not much else.  Maybe it would have been more prudent to find out more before talking in these terms?  You are just adding fuel to the fire of the chants of it being too expensive without you yourself having enough info to make a fair determination for yourself (at least at the time of your intial comments).

WTF?
My very first post was the question :"what runs on it?" because despite searching the simple morphos site, and more besides, I could not find a list of software that run on Morphos. But no-one answered my question. Another guy more or less raises the same question, no-one answers and he therefore reasonably concludes that if no software runs on it, then its too expensive for him to spend that sort of money on hardware and an OS that doesn't run any software. The obvious thing would have been for people like you to enlighten us both with your knowledge of what, exactly, runs on it.  But no, he's then attacked for being too tight-arsed to support the developers that have worked so hard to release this.  Again no-one bothers to say what runs on it.  So if you can't run any software, what else can you do with the OS but "close and open directories and gaze at pretty icons and backdrops, with not much else".  When a list of software that runs on Morphos was posted I acknowledged this.  No-one is begrudging you your new toy, enjoy it, but don't attack me just because I asked a reasonable question that Morphos fans like you seemed to not want to answer, and in fact seemed to deliberately avoid.

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ffastback wrote:
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I can see to an extent where you are coming from but no one attacked him for not supporting the MOS developers.  The point was that he was saying it was overpriced next to OSX and he wanted a justification of why.  
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Ok understood.  MOS a niche product, it will always cost more than mass-produce products like OS X, that make up the money by volume.  It seemed the thread was going down the common argument whenever there is a commercial Amiga release that everyone should support it regardless if its any good or useful, for fear of the developer quitting. MOS sounds like an interesting and fun product, a hobbyist OS and everyone is right to decide if they want to pay the price to play.

I waited and waited for a ppc AmigaOS but kinda had jack of it all when nothing happened for ages.

As things stand now, my next project will be a HTPC using mediaportal, which I don't need but i like the idea of recording and scheduling digital Tv, playing dvd's, and most imprtantly emulating console games such as for PSone, N64,NES,SNES, Genesis and of course Amiga on my 42 inch plasma, using a a remote control, and wireless controllers.  Each to his own.