MorphOS has been killed from a grassy knoll

[KennyR]

bloodline wrote:
All is not lost, should MOS be "dumped", then owners of the Pegasos boards are welcome to use AROS, and bring AROS up to spec on the PPC :-)

Not likely I'm afraid, bloodline: we MOS users wouldn't find AROS very useful without integrated legacy 68k emulation. We're already spoilt being able to run 68k, PUP, WOS, and even now simple OS4 apps, many can't see the point in downgrading functionality. If the worst happens, most likely they'll either sell their Pegasos or move to Linux. Not many will go the OS4 route, for sure.

[KennyR]

Not yet. There hasn't been any good reason to spend time porting it, I suppose.

[KennyR]

Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
Well if they sell their pegs thats more OS 4 users. It strikes me as a case of cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. Same goes for developers who refuse to port to either platform - at the end of the day they are only loosing sales. Not hurting anyone but themselves.

For most MorphOS users, supporting Eyetech, Amiga Inc, or Hyperion in any way is not an option. Better to let the community to die than reward the people who split it.

[KennyR]

Wilse wrote:
What would happen if the MOS developers got together with the AROS team? Is that a possibility?

It's a possibility that some (ex-)MorphOS core developers might contribute to AROS, but we can all forget adding lots of MOS code to it. Genesi, contrary to my statements some days back, own too much of it.

But what would be the point anyway? AROS is interesting from an intellectual point of view, but it's ability to run on cheap, powerful hardware means nothing to most if you don't actually have anything to run on it.

[KennyR]

TheMagicM wrote:
I disagree. I am "pro-MOS", (NOT Pro-Pegasos..2 different things). If MOS devel said "we're done..no more MOS" (meaning, NOTHING, NADA), then I would 100% support Hyperion.

Maybe one day I should send you an archive of Ben Hermans and Steffen Häuser quotes from ANN. I wonder if you'd support them after reading some of it.

[KennyR]

Wilse wrote:
Not using something you would enjoy using, simply because you don't think the people who made it are nice enough, seems silly to me in this instance.

Unfortunately wilse, you're in the minority. If OS4 died tomorrow, I doubt MOS's ranks would be swelled by ex-OS4 users. If MOS dies, there will be no mass exodus to help the OS4 side. The divide between them is just too deep and bitter. It'll never be healed.

[KennyR]

Cyberus wrote:
I see where you're coming from kenny, but I think there are quite a few people who are more concerned with having a useable OS that they are comfortable with and enjoy, than getting caught up in the 'politics' of the situation.

And what would they run it on? Even buying the actual hardware means you're getting caught up in the politics! Few MOS users could afford a muA1 for OS4 anyway, far less put up with the fact that this is basically a refurbished Linux board with a dodgy northbridge and perhaps more bugs lurking in its tracks. And then there's the licence fees to KMOS, which go with the purchase. What do you actually know about KMOS? What does anyone know? Why haven't they given us our damn vouchers yet? And you NEED that A1. OS4 just won't run on anything else.

Let's not also forget the fact that many of the longer-term MOS users (including most of its senior developers) strongly dislike Hyperion for things its representatives have said. This also includes my usergroup, #AmigaZeux. That's not going to change. Money talks, but Hyperion don't have money.

Go the other way? And buy a Pegasos, and you now instead have to consider Genesi. I already know what many in the OS4 camp think of Genesi and why I doubt many would come running if OS4 came to to Pegasos. Especially with this brand religion thing going on.

Third choise, AROS: as I already said, free from expensive proprietary hardware and squabbling, untrustworthy pseudocompanies, but also free of legacy support. That already makes it useless for most people.

Having this usable OS is already more complicated than your, Wilse's, and TheMagicM's take on it. It seems you're always going to have to side with someone who might screw you.

[KennyR]

Go interrogate Bobson, Cyberus. Go ask him if he would consider MorphOS and Pegasos if the OS4 route became impossible. Then we'll see who's bitter. You'll probably find that he's as set in his ways as I am, as are most OS4 and MOS users. See what I mean?

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[KennyR]

Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
Well actually we have just been discussing it on IRC - 2nd hand pegs making cheap OS4 boxes :-)

I should think so too. It seems to be the only way you'll get altivec, ethernet and DMA.

[KennyR]

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[KennyR]

Karlos wrote:
If it were the case that all MOS development ceased, OS4 matured to the level of compatibility (perhaps including a MOS kernel wrapper type thingy for compatibility even with MOS native stuff) *and* a liscenced OS4 port became available for the pegasos (OK, these are big ifs, but for sake of argument), would you consider getting it?

If MOS development were to cease, no, I would not consider OS4. I waited too long for it already, and I've come dislike it's direction, implementation, and especially its fanbase. More importantly, I'm not interested in supporting KMOS/AmigaInc/whoever, because they've given me absolutely no reason to and plenty of reasons not to.

MOS is my last attempt at recapturing some element of 80s and early 90s computing fun. If it fails, I'll just give up computing for good and take another hobby, maybe keep a machine for IRC and browsing, but nothing else. But that's me finished, no more hardware, no more software. I'm sick to the end.

[KennyR]

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Stay on topic!

[KennyR]

@bobson

Can't help but feel you're the pot calling the kettle black here. Let's drop the petty name calling for a moment and be civil. We're both passionate about the OS we chose. We both made compromises as to certain things for this OS. Trying to trivialise my opinion just opens you up to the same trivialisation of yours. And you can spout your own vitreol too, I've seen you do it. And admit it: you wouldn't support Genesi in any way until hell froze over. I feel the same away about KMOS, and to a lesser extent Hyperion (although I'd buy their games, and I bought all their previous ones.) Where I have WrongPlanet, you have AmigaWorld - both bitterly controversial sites to those who don't appreciate them. We're not really all that different, you know.

But the fact that we're just not going to disagree should be ample evidence for anyone that the MOS and OS4 sides are just too far away from any kind of understanding. They *are* just computers, but that really doesn't make much difference. Too much water has gone under the bridge. While some users might consider it, most won't.