Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)

[bhoggett]

@T_Bone

Do business cards count?

 :lol:

What's really funny is that Mr Hermans' little attempt at belittling my opinions is almost a carbon copy of Mr Buck's. I always thought the two were much more similar than they'd like to admit.
 ;-)

[bhoggett]

I am probably wrong, but quite a few people seem to have lost any interest in the 'Amiga' and only hang around to pick at the corpse and score a few points.

Less of a case of losing interest and more of a case of losing faith and hope. One can only hang around waiting for that which never arrives for so long.

The interest is rapidly turning more into morbid fascination. It's like watching a bad wreck and wondering how many more ways the victim will find to hurt themselves.

We may be seeing a change in the cast, but they're still acting from the same script.

[bhoggett]

@Trezzer

There are people who regard anyone who dares speak their mind, or makes the suggestion that someone is not telling the truth, as uncivilised.

Whatever. If saying "I don't trust these people's motives" is uncivilised, so be it.

As for various individuals, since they show no respect, I see little reason to give them any in return. I think the debate here has stayed civilised and largely flame free.

If you want to be fawning to this new guy so that he'll like you, be my guest. As far as I'm concerned he has to earn the respect and the trust of the rest of the community, and he has to do it with actions, not past reputation.

There are many unanswered questions, and many unexplained and conflicting factors about this whole business. Despite the long interview, none of those things were answered. There are two ways to do business: transparently and covertly. Many think that being secretive and saying nothing at all is "professional". Well, it is in fact no more professional than being transparent about your dealings, and secrecy engenders far less trust than transparency does.

Is it uncilivilised to suggest that this is most likely an IP laundering exercise? No, I think it is just being realistic.

[bhoggett]

@IonDeluxe

Actually its just spreading FUD as there is not any real proof of this.

Hyperion have repeatedly stated that they will own AmigaOS in the event of Amiga Inc bankruptcy. Since any such contractual clause is legally unenforceable, logic says they must have had a plan by which to do this so that AmigaOS is not counted as an Amiga Inc asset should push come to shove. You may think it FUD that this could be the reason for KMOS acquiring AmigaOS, but I think it is quite a logical deduction given what we know rather than what we are told.

I'm not saying it is legal or otherwise, since I do not know the US legal system, but the underlying purpose seems clear. Certainly it makes more sense than believing that someone with Hare's obvious lack of understanding of the product he owns just decided to form a company to buy AmigaOS.

Are Hyperion or Ben Hermans directly or indirectly involved? I don't know, and I seriously doubt they'd admit it if they were. Either way, the whole episode looks particularly shady from where I'm sitting.

[bhoggett]

@Wayne

Forget it. They accused you of putting forward a faked card, and now that the card is confirmed as genuine it is still your fault for showing it. Damned if you do...

[bhoggett]

@vortexau

Boy, do you go for serious misquoting and misrepresentation to back up your claims!

I'm really wondering how bhoggett can-
'still claim that the card is (in ALL ways) genuine'?

It is 'genuine' in that it was handed out by Garry Hare. If the card did contain false information, then the person to blame is Hare and no one else.

'that the Card's presenter was misrepresenting himself, or using a false ID'?

Does the card say he is CEO of Amiga or not? Yes.

Was he CEO of Amiga? No.

Does the card therefore contain false information? Yes.

Did Garry Hare hand out this false information? Yes.

These are facts. We have verbal claims that he passed himself off as Amiga Inc CEO, and verbal claims that he told every recipient of the card that he was not CEO. Both claims are unverifiable.

What possible explanation is there for someone claiming that he is "considering joining Amiga" while at the same time handing out cards that proclaim him to be CEO already? Contrary to claims in this thread, that is not common behaviour.

You seem to want to blame everyone who took the cards as genuine for accepting them at face value, but at the same time want to completely absolve the person who handed out these cards which - according to his own testimony - contained false information.

As Wayne said, deception is everywhere. No one, not even Hare, can expect to have his claims taken as gospel.

I said this before and I'll say it again: if Bill Buck pulled this kind of stunt you'd be leading the lynching mob, and everyone who is still absolving Hare of blame would be following you howling for blood.

[bhoggett]

@cecilia

Your prize consists of not being flamed.   :-D

Prize it greatly for it is a rare gift.

[bhoggett]

Trolls ought to be barred, whether they like it or not. Particularly those who are incapable of discussing matters withour resorting to personal insults and pedantry.