Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)

[ksk]

@Paul_Gadd

Once I gave a business card that said that I was a Senior Design Engineer while I already was a Specialist. What is the law that I broke?


btw. I think many people did not even read the interview but still they post comments.

IMO: The interview gave load of good explanations and some not that good. In the end, it seems that he might be the most sane manager of all Amiga related companies. (Nothing to be too proud, though. )

[System]

Guys?

This is rediculous.  He might have been a little naive as to the extent of paranoia in this community, but no *law* was broken by Garry Hare handing out a falsified business card, regardless of the information contained therein.  If there was, please define it for me here, in United States law so that I might better research this issue.

Wayne

[Warface]

Impersonation huh? it is impersonation if he said he was CEO, or said nothing. But he said he was not yet CEO of AMiga Inc and is thereby not impersonating a CEO. That is the "evidence" we have.

It's interesting, how the very same persons who took as FACT that Bill Buck forged the card, now, as it turns out to be genuine take it as FACT, that GH explained to each person he handed the cards out that it's not real.

The only FACT we have that GH produced cards which contain false information. Everything else is hearsay, and we are unable to check.

I know, it's a custom to bend the reality until we can blame everything Bill Buck for on one side, and another custom to bend it so much that everything can be blamed on the red side.

How come the closest supporters of Amiga Inc shouted and suggested loudest that the card is a forgery made up by Bill Buck? The very same, that tell us now the card was indeed genuine, but all is still Bill Bucks fault. *scratches head* Can someone explain how you got to that conclusion?

(RANT)I tend to read BBRV's statements with certain scepticism, and always strip the marketing twist and hype, but it's IMHO still better than living in a distortion field where despite any evidence, always the blue side is the obvious cause of each and single trouble on the way(/RANT)

[IonDeluxe]

Is it uncilivilised to suggest that this is most likely an IP laundering exercise? No, I think it is just being realistic.

Actually its just spreading FUD as there is not any real proof of this.

Hearsay evidence (Law), that species of testimony which consists in a a narration by one person of matters told him by another. It is, with a few exceptions, inadmissible as testimony. --Abbott

As it comes directly from the source it is NOT hearsay.It is also interesting to note BBRV has not refuted this claim.
Of course, if one of these guys that recieved a card directly comes forward and verifies Gary Hare's story, all these BBRV supporters will claim that the new "witness" is in on some plot to discredit BBRV.

I find it interesting how quickly the focus of the "blue side" has changed from Amiga Inc. to Gary Hare.Hardly a word has been spoken about them, are they bo longer the greatest evil to the Amiga scene since the inception of time?

[jd997uk]

@BillH

You really need to take a chill pill.

The vitriol you are spouting out does not become the intelligence you've previously shown.

OK, you don't have to trust Garry Hare, but at least stop being the bloody nightmare you accuse everyone else of being.


-john

[T_Bone]

@Iondeluxe
>As it comes directly from the source it is NOT hearsay.

Nothing you read is directly from the source. We are 3rd parties to the written word.

> I find it interesting how quickly the focus of the "blue side" has changed from Amiga Inc. to Gary Hare.

Garry Hare isn't a new topic, it's hardly the fault of any "side" that it's taken a year for these questions to be addressed. Add to that the bomb that was dropped when it was discovered he's owned the IP that Amiga hasn't owned in a year, and it's not surprising it's a hot topic. :-)

[redfox]

I thought this was an interesting interview.  Garry Hare seems to be a down-to-earth guy.  I wish him well.

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@Wayne ... I would like to apologize to you ...

I thought you and some buddies created the business card, to support BBRV's claims.

I was wrong.

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redfox

[T_Bone]

Is it uncilivilised to suggest that this is most likely an IP laundering exercise? No, I think it is just being realistic.

Actually its just spreading FUD as there is not any real proof of this.

it's a reasonable suspicion, in light of Hyperion and Amiga publicly announcing that they would take measures to isolate Amiga's IP from hypothetical bankruptcy during the time this transaction had taken place.

[bhoggett]

@IonDeluxe

Actually its just spreading FUD as there is not any real proof of this.

Hyperion have repeatedly stated that they will own AmigaOS in the event of Amiga Inc bankruptcy. Since any such contractual clause is legally unenforceable, logic says they must have had a plan by which to do this so that AmigaOS is not counted as an Amiga Inc asset should push come to shove. You may think it FUD that this could be the reason for KMOS acquiring AmigaOS, but I think it is quite a logical deduction given what we know rather than what we are told.

I'm not saying it is legal or otherwise, since I do not know the US legal system, but the underlying purpose seems clear. Certainly it makes more sense than believing that someone with Hare's obvious lack of understanding of the product he owns just decided to form a company to buy AmigaOS.

Are Hyperion or Ben Hermans directly or indirectly involved? I don't know, and I seriously doubt they'd admit it if they were. Either way, the whole episode looks particularly shady from where I'm sitting.

[restore2003]

If you actually had a life to speak about, you would know better  ;-) I dont care if im being rude, im just sick and tired of all this nitpicking of things that dont matter, if you love the amiga, and its community you would wish it the best, instead of all this BS!  :-x

Its time to stop! We`re here to push this platform forward, not bury it 9 feet undergound  :-x

No wonder we have not seen any progress with all this bulls#"#!

Just move forward! forget about the past! If this was microsoft were talking about we would find much more dirt!  :-x

Just stfu and contribute with anything useful instead!  :-x

You dont know this man yet, but still u want to drag him into the dirt! Why not give the man a chance??? Let him prove himself a reputation before you make him into the devil himself!

Enough said! :-x

(heavily drunk and speaking with great confidence  :-D)

[IonDeluxe]

Are Hyperion or Ben Hermans directly or indirectly involved? I don't know, and I seriously doubt they'd admit it if they were. Either way, the whole episode looks particularly shady from where I'm sitting.

Nevertheless, this is still hearsay, and still without any proof to back it up and as such is still FUD.

since I do not know the US legal system

You say you dont know the system yet you still dribble this:

Since any such contractual clause is legally unenforceable

Thereby destroying and credibility this statement had.

but I think it is quite a logical deduction given what we know rather than what we are told.

And finally we dont know anything.Do you know what contract Hyperion had with Amiga Inc? Do you know what that contract entails. Considering that you "do not know the US legal system" can you seriously tell us that this contract is illegal?Do you know the details of the sale of this to itec or the details of the sale of itec to KMOS, who set KMOS up, where the money came from that Amiga Inc. now seems to have?

YOU DONT KNOW SQUAT!

Anyone can pull a few dates and statements out of the air to make it fit any kind of conspiracy theory they like.This is nothing more than conjecture, supposition, assumption put together with a good deal of trouble making and nothing else until you get some proof to back yourself up.

[redrumloa]

@Wayne ... I would like to apologize to you ...

It takes a big man.  :pint:

[vortexau]

T_Bone said:

@Wayne

It still bothers me that people who should know better are still mealy-mouthing the issue after calling you a liar.

? ? ? Ah - but wasn't Wayne claiming it to be a 'genuine' card in ALL particulars rather then allowing for the possibility of it being an 'example' card?

If Garry Hare actually created THAT card rather than it being run-off by AmigaInc's own business printing customers . . . then Wayne - by claiming that the card was, in ALL ways, genuine - was not debating that issue on firm ground!

Was Wayne just too ready to accept the party line provided by that[/i] individual who passed the card on to Wayne?
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notice- Found below: Edit by admin : trolling and argumentative
That's it then - show where Wayne is getting bested in an argument and that he's resorted to name-calling in response will result in your well-reasoned post being deleted! "it's clearly convenient" how THAT can be done! Good thing that I didn't raise the fact that 2 years ago he was quite dismissive of the PPC processor . . .

Funny, in spite of accusations against AW where that might rarely happen -- win an argument HERE and you'll get deleted for sure!  :lol:

[System]

Ah - but wasn't Wayne claiming it to be a 'genuine' card in ALL particulars rather then allowing for the possibility of it being an 'example' card?

No, but it's clearly convenient of your memory to think of it that way.  

I stated, from the beginning, that I personally did not know whether or not he was actually CEO of Amiga Inc, but that he did -- at least on one occassion present himself as such to the public.  He did -- as publicly stated now -- hand out cards stating it as fact.  It was, in fact, a "genuine card".

I was defending against those who slammed me for stating that the card was a real card (as opposed to the photoshopped {bleep} that certain people claimed).  For this, I was called a liar and have had to put up with months of character assassination.

[bhoggett]

@Wayne

Forget it. They accused you of putting forward a faked card, and now that the card is confirmed as genuine it is still your fault for showing it. Damned if you do...

[vortexau]

 Wayne  Posted: 2004/3/29 3:12:23

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Ah - but wasn't Wayne claiming it to be a 'genuine' card in ALL particulars rather then allowing for the possibility of it being an 'example' card?

No, but it's clearly convenient of your memory to think of it that way.

I apologize if my perception of the WHOLE afair has become settled on YOUR shoulders, Wayne, but YOU shouldn't blame me for accusations that others made!

I stated, from the beginning, that I personally did not know whether or not he was actually CEO of Amiga Inc, but that he did -- at least on one occassion present himself as such to the public. He did -- as publicly stated now -- hand out cards stating it as fact. It was, in fact, a "genuine card".

I was defending against those who slammed me for stating that the card was a real card (as opposed to the photoshopped {bleep} that certain people claimed). For this, I was called a liar and have had to put up with months of character assassination.

 . .. "it's clearly convenient of (MY) memory to think of it" as being presented as an unverified[/i] article!

@Wayne- Did YOU in fact seek verification that ALL of the details on that card were genuine before YOU posted of the 'affair' on this site? IOW, did YOU have Garry Hare's confirmation as to the card's contents?

The trouble is that there are some very impressionable folk (like bhoggett) who are inclined to believe any 'spin' presented to them.
(In fact, it seems like that very forum 'spin-meister' still believes that the CARD is, in all ways, quite genuine)

My "memory" has that my thoughts on that ocassion centered around the possibility that THAT card had been created in an office, and not in a regular production run at a printing establishment!

THAT was why I posted THIS,THIS, and THIS   image . . . Images that I created when I was enrolled in a business course and required to create a "business plan" for course credit!

I POSTed those images to show how things shouldn't  always be taken at face-value!  :-o
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(NOTE- Quite nasty Edit by admin : below with misrepresented reasons!)