Some preliminaries:
1. Who appointed you to judge whether "the responses from the PC side make perfect sense".
The same entity that appointed you the saviour of the Amiga.
Give examples of these perfectly-sensible arguments
Take off your rose tinted spectacles and read the thread again. Maybe you missed them.
....that do not centre around the raw processing power of modern hardware, but instead focus on the user-experience.
In particular focus on the 90%+ of PC's in the real world that run on Windows,
Why should I? Does it qualify your argument only when you specify the criteria? That's not what thetitle of this thread states.
You wan't to know about the real world. In the real world people use PCs and MAC. The Amiga need a hell of a lot of catching up to do before it can even be taken as a serious platform at all. How much more real do you want it? Learn to accept reality my friend.
2. The question is not: "Can an Amiga do everything as fast as PC". Can ...blah.
There was no question. Just an unqualified statement. Read the title again.
It's only zealotry that has led you to conflate this issue into an unrecognisable mess and introduce criteria and questions where there were none.
I ask for clarification and you decide to jump down my throat. You seem awfully twitchy. Step back and take a chill pill. This level of excitement might not do your health much good.
3. PC =x86 hardware running Windows for anywhere between 90 and 95% of the worlds computers. Its therefore reasonable to say "PC"= computer that runs Windows.
It seem you still can't make the simple deistinction between hardware and software. :roflmao:
4. I only need to demonstrate ONE area where the PC is still playing catch-up.
Aww.
Why only one? Knock yourself out we're all listening intently. Don't say you are running out of steam already? Oh yes your health. OK step back then.
An A1200 with 8 meg ram and OS 3.1 can be used to write letters, store customer accounts, issue mail shots, print receipts, analyse financial data using spreadsheets. The software is there, and the hardware is capable. The basics of business don't change, even if computer hardware and OS's do.
Back to software are we? The company I work for needs to exchange MS Office ducuments and run a decent web browser as a bare minimum.
I'm sorry sttuffing a load of hobby home computers in our offices is not goung to make us more productive.
We run LAMP servers and can even use basic specced machines for that. Unfortunately a stock AMIGA 1200 just wont cut the mustard there. (You are the one that wants to stick to basics and not use "souped up machines" so you at least use your own criteria in this one.)
Whether people choose to use it or not is a different question. Format your drive with PFS 3 or SFS..... blah blah..
So you are writing a 10000 word proposal and you hit the off button you won't lose any data on an Amiga? Wow! That's amazing! The business world should really be told about this breakthrough. I don't think you are evangelising it enough. :eek:
Come on. You are clutching at straws here. Not having to shutdown safely is hardly a feature that is going to affect our servers which haven't been shut down for years. We don't miss it one bit.
If your Amiga hardware is flaky then don't blame the system, fix the hardware.
My A1200 Wedge is fine. Plays a nice game of Cannon Fodder once in a blue Moon.
Mission critical enough?
No! , I'm afraid not, to be honest.
Secure enough? Amiga will do the job.
Sure not being able to serve DHTML web pages at all is a bit too secure to be useful at all. I could replace the A1200 with a brick instead. That would be just as equally secure. Not a fat lot of use though.
Two current real world examples: ........................
Good luck to them. Those examples hardly put PCs to shame. I can do more than that on my mobile phone. It doesn't mean the whole world is going to scrap their PCs overnight upon hearing that news.
The Amiga needs billions of dollars of investment to be a serious contender and catch up with to the established platforms. Just face reality for goodness sake.
Oh the linux fan boys: i can get a responsive fast PC by compiling my own custom kernel, and with 4 cores at 2600 mhz and huge CPU caches and 4 gig RAM running at 1333 mhz and a 640 MB GPU overclocked it can boot a few seconds faster than a 15 year old computer with crippled CPU card.
:roflmao: I hate using linux.
But it runs the majority of the worlds website including all major Amiga websites. (This one included) so it has it's uses and is far more advanced as a platform than the limited Amiga.
Just because I don't like linux doesnt mean I will deny it's capabilities and usefulness.
Zealotry can turn you blind. It's a pernicious habit you know. You seriously sound like an old style MacLover :rofl:
And now the typical Linux user: "just bought a PC, booted with ubuntu/mandriva/fedora/PCLinuxOS 09 blah blah and i get a kernel panic/white screen/vesa only video/no sound/mobile modem not detected/no wireless/doesn't see hard drive. Search through gazillion forums to find: sorry your chipset/video card/sound/modem/wireless isn't supported, wait for the next kernel in 6 months. Or follow this obscure guide which doesn't work. oh yeah thats right it doesn't, its out of date, go to this guide..still no luck? wait 6 months..new kernel/distro, Ok i can boot and install but....refresh is funny on my screen/wireless ......blah blah blah.
Funny I had similar problems trying to get one of my A1200s up to scratch.
Amiga: stick workbench floppy in, switch on, follow instructions, boot. Hardware detected, configured. Done. Soft reset. Boot off hard rive. Install app software: double click on install icon. Done.
Send me a ticket please. Cloud cuckoo land sounds like quite an inviting place.
Which user-experience would you prefer?
My current user experience with PCs is fine. It's better and more productive for me than trying to force an ancient (but elegant) Amiga system to try and do it for me.
I don't need to catch up with anything. You might need to catch up with reality though.
1. Boot times: Amiga's boot faster. No question. Even if you allow for the additional processes that the PC has to perform at boot times, PC hardware resources are many, many factors greater than that available to an Amiga. Put another way: the Amiga does less at boot time, but has less hardware resources to do it with. Waiting is waiting, no matter why it happens. And no hibernating isn't a solution because you can hibernate on PC but you may not awaken from it and its not a HUGELY faster than cold booting anyway.
2. greater malware prevalance on PC introduces higher risk of data loss, passwords being stolen, identity theft. Third party security software is mandatory, but that diminishes the responsiveness and therefore the quality of the user experience.
3. general responsiveness of the GUI fluctuates on Windows PC's far more than Amiga. AmigaOS prioritises user input eg mouse pointer, menu opening when background tasks are running more highly than Windows. I experience more wait cursors on a Win PC than i do on Amiga.
Thats enpough for tonight.
Finally you decided to be polite enough and answer my question. All I wanted was a summary to clarify your position.
I didn't want or need sarcastic, acrimonious, patronising, sanctimonious claptrap. But that's what I got so I decided to give as good as I got. I doubt many will hold it against me.
OK. So this is all it boils down to eh? Wow ! I must say.
After all these pages all you say is that the PC needs to catch up with a PC in terms of:
(1) Boot times
(2) Security
(3) Responsiveness
(1) Oh crap my TV boots up instantly. tell the PC using world that they need to catch up :eek:
It makes no frigging difference in the Real World. It's how useful it is after boot up that matters to most sane people.
(2) Security through obscurity eh? Sh!t !!! I think we need to make all PCs obscure to CATCH UP with the Amiga. :eek:
Since when has obscurity been a sought after feature? :crazy:
(3) I'm sorry to say that the PCs I use daily are a heck of a lot more responsive and useful to me than my A1200 could ever be. I could use an Amiga to do some of my tasks but I'd probably get fired for taking hours too long on tasks that should really be completed in minutes.
If anyone insisted on using Amigas for the work we do here they would be fired just for being anally retentive masochist anyway.
Look! a tool is a tool alright. Amigas are fun hobby retro machines. I like them I really do. What I don't do is lie to myself that they are the worlds answer to poverty as well as the kitchen sink.
The platform is a RETRO platform to everyone in the world bar a few BAFs. There are website that cater specifically for these types of people. You might want to pay a visit and see if you don't fit right in.
Standards matter in the real world. The PC has compatibility and standards which the Amiga needs to catch up to. It's sad but true.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The world moves on. Accept change or change the world yourself. Don't just sit there miserably lying to yourself that the world is really much more different than it is. That is self delusion and it can lead to irrational behaviour.
