Charvers, breakins, theft and a broken window...

[Speelgoedmannetje]

@Cyberus
Making generalizations is quite a harmfull thing to do I think.
In this case, I accuse you of doing such.
Not that I do not like you, but I'll explain you why I think this:
'lower jobs' a lower job can be a graduate school teacher, but I do not see a university professor capable of being a graduate school teacher, for instance.
I mean, you still have to have the appropriate skill for many 'lower jobs'.
Plus, yes there IS often lack of work, even cleaning work or alike. And these kinds of jobs are often also just temporarily and you cannot really live from it.
When there's been cut in the unemployment money, people can't afford another study (when they notice the job market for their degree is marginal) to get out of their situation. Also, emigrating is a tough choice, and it does not give a guarantee for work either, plus such must be paid also (while many already do have a huge study debt).

ok leute you can all wake up now

[T_Bone]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
@Cyberus
Making generalizations is quite a harmfull thing to do I think.
In this case, I accuse you of doing such.

In general, yes, but when the generalization is constructively addressing a genuine problem, I don't see the harm.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

It's alike if one thief is between us, that thief is a problem, but it doesn't meen we are a problem.

The latter is too often abused.

And are we speaking of a minority or a majority who do wrong stuff? And should others be victim of these?
I like genuine problems being adressed, but in the right proportions in the right context, in other words, all aspects need to be adressed of the subject. Otherwise ppl won't get a clear view and goin' to condemn the whole thing.

gee, I think I am this

[Vincent]

Cyberus confessed:
If I've turned to my mum in the past and said, "I'm not gonna bother with that job", it doesn't pay enough, my mum used to say "It's all money, you're lucky to have the chance to work".

That used to be a conversation between me and my mum, until I showed her how much money I'd be getting, how much rent and council tax I'd have to pay and what would be left for food.  It worked out that I'd get £15 - 20 more a week for food on benefits than working 8 till 6 monday to friday.

And I was only getting £40 on benefits :-o