As expected you nitpick. To everyone reading this thread
it is obvious that you are defending the NV30.
More irrelevant character based rhetoric.
Its not exactily a glowing endorsement
Who said it was “not exactily a glowing endorsement”?
You are putting words in month where is doesn’t exist. You are assuming too much.
Did you missed statement regarding the limits being reach for R9700? The speed is heavily dependant on the code path.
What you are doing here is like trying to get off for a crime on a technicality, not prove your innocense. Stop nitpicking and get to the point.
Irrelevant to the issue. It is you who diverted
this thread toward a character based flame war.
That affected performance how much?
Exactily.
Mainly bug fixes (SNIP)
Refer ATI’s 3 month lead on driver maturity statements. Are you claiming ATI doesn't also increase their driver performance while they fix their bugs?
Look in ATI fan base forums regards testing of newer
Catalyst drivers and their expected 3DMarks2001SE/QuakeIII results.
To quote Australian PC User Dec 2002 Page 36
"This time, we managed to come up with one AGP8X motherboard that would
work with a Radeon 9700 - VIA's P4PB400 board. - but the performance results
were actually below those achieved with the AGP 4X board."
No speed lost was encoutered with SIS Xabre 400 and NV18 while using AGP 8X motherboard.
Refer to
http://www4.tomshardware.com/business/20020925/atimojo-10.htmlThis is just a cited example for Catalyst v2.3 drivers.
Note that, this is not the latest Catalyst drivers.
There are more Catalyst driver comparisons IF you search the web.
Obviously not, as you may have noticed that I mentioned in my first post that the NV30 was overall faster, just not by as much as it should, which was the whole point of this thread.
Refer to header title "GeforceFX=surprisingly slow".
Maybe, but you have just nitpicked through that entire post! Call it what you like its true.
Concession accepted.
See my comments on the John Carmack statement.
Did you missed the statement regarding the limits being reach for R9700?
More proof of your hypocracy.
More irrelevant character based rhetoric.
Nitpicking doesn't get you anywhere.
Concession accepted.
Grow up pedantic prick!
That's all you can do?
Or if you didn't maybe you weren't such a fanboy then.
Because you systemically failed to read my posts.
Maybe you should grow up, eh? After all you're the one trawling the internet
continuously for reviews to prove everyone else wrong!
Wrong again. More irrelevant character based rhetoric. A website posted links relevant to GeF FX's benchmarks together.
Are you claiming that you are lazy or can't use a search engine effectively enough?
I find that amusing that you call me a little boy for getting "personal",
but that sentence in itself just proves you are a hypocrite!
You’re the first cause, a flame starter; only a hippy
wouldn’t expect a return of fire.
hypocrite!
More irrelevant character based rhetoric.
That doesn’t get anywhere anywhere Mr recalcitrant.
and you like Nvidia
More irrelevant character based rhetoric.
Relevant. You are the only one defending it.
Subjective assertion.
If it was so good, then dont you think there would be more ppl defending it. Once again you are nitpicking.
More irrelevant character based rhetoric.
Surprise, surprise, you're nitpicking again, now about statisitcal data, so here goes
that n>30 is bullsh*t. Statistical data can be gained from n=1, its just as you take more samples it gets more accurate.
Which one is better?
but it'll just show what a sad life you lead.
It just shows that you are lazy and can’t use a search engines effectively enough.
Another Geforce FX reversion (regarding the noise).
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7626http://www.hardocp.com/
Quote from hardocp.com, Tuesday February 04, 2003
GeForceFX Reborn:
I know what you are thinking, "Already?" We were lucky enough to put our hands on a revamped GeForceFX 5800 Ultra on Monday and I can say that NVIDIA has moved their GFFX flagship in the right direction.
While physically identical in the picture above, except for the coloration of the ducting system, these are two very different GFFX Ultra cards. This new GFFX cooling system does not run in 2D operation, making it quieter than any other 3D cards in this current generation while not being used in a gaming capacity. When the GFFX Ultra is utilized in a 3D application, the fan system spins up and is still about as loud as it was before. NVIDIA reports it to be around 5dBa quieter than the models we saw Web reviews based on last week.
I gamed for around five hours on Monday with the card installed in my own case and I left the side cover off. The case sits at my feet. I found game play in UT2K3, MOHAA, Wolfenstein, and NFSHP2 to be very playable at 12x10 with 4XAA and 8XAF turned on. BF1942 was acting up on my card but after talking to NVIDIA, I am not sure if it is a driver glitch on their end of a system glitch on my end. Still, it is said to be working great at the NVIDIA labs in Austin, TX. I tend to game with the sound turned on, so I did not find the cooling system on the GFFX Ultra to be an issue at all, but we can all argue about that later.
Now that the noise is gone in 2D, and if it ends up on the shelves this way, there are going to be a lot more folks buying the GFFX Ultra and keeping it. Still, if you are used to a very quiet computing environment, the GFFX is most likely not for you.... but then again those games listed above probably are not either.
What did you say about preview releases (engineering release) being equal to final release?
Hammer wrote: Are there any reasons to agree in the first place? The product is not even released in the market place.
Minion wrote: Funny the Radeon 9700Pro reference board was identical to most of the ones for sale now, and very similar in performance to the review samples.
Are you're applying ATI’s experience on Nvidia?
The samples are merely engineering releases.
As hardocp.com's info has indicated, Nvidia was still working for the final release of the GeF FX.
We can’t make an informed judgment before the final release for said card.
