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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2004, 01:03:30 PM »
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Well, UltimateZip supports:
ZIP, RAR, ACE, BH, CAB, JAR, LHA (LZH), GZIP, TAR, BZIP2, ARC, ARJ, XXE, UUE.

yup, also LHA and that's quite convenient if you use also an Amiga methinks

That's what I use :-D

Very handy for Aminet lha's :-D
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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2004, 01:54:21 PM »
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mikeymike wrote:
As for the good old "which version of Windows is best?" argument, my personal preference is Windows 2000 by far over any version of Windows currently available (though 2003 Server is supposed to be quite nice).


imo,
windows 2000 is good for games
windows xp is good for "day to day life"
windows server 2003 is very nice, and with the Windows Services for UNIX 3.5 package, you can intergrate it quite nicely with the rest of your unix network.

it comes in four flavours;

Standard Edition
Enterprise Edition
Datacenter Edition
Web Edition

compare here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/features/compareeditions.mspx

tis very nice indeed...  :-)
 

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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2004, 02:35:33 PM »
How is Windows 2000 not good for "day to day life"? :-)
 

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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2004, 03:20:32 PM »
it's not, i just find XP better  :-)
 

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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2004, 04:19:54 PM »
XP was a nightmare for me, day to day life was month to month of virus infections and random blue screens, shut downs, missing hard disk space the list goes on.

Every version of Windows I have tried (3.1, 95, NT, 98, 98SE, ME, XP) is crap imho.

OSX beats the pants off all of them, Tiger, even Panther looks years ahead of Longhorn, although you can guess which one will be the most successful.
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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2004, 05:43:53 PM »
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HopperJF wrote:
XP was a nightmare for me, day to day life was month to month of virus infections


it does have insecurities, but most of them can be cured with ease

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OSX beats the pants off all of them,

emm, yes, moving on

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Tiger, even Panther looks years ahead of Longhorn
I've had a look at longhorn, it's nothing more than an even more user-friendly blue version of XP, enoucouraging more AOL style users to come along...

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just like with the three extra buttons eh?  :-)
 

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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2004, 05:53:51 PM »
Gotta love how these Windows threads always polarise into  unexperienced condemnation on one side and ill-deserved advocacy on the other. :)
 

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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2004, 07:35:53 PM »
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Gotta love how these Windows threads always polarise into  unexperienced condemnation on one side and ill-deserved advocacy on the other. :)


dude, i don't promote it, it's just that it does have some justified merit  :lol:
 

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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2004, 07:58:55 PM »
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Gotta love how these Windows threads always polarise into  unexperienced condemnation on one side and ill-deserved advocacy on the other. :)


That's the thing, now isn't it?  Being an AMIGA user by definition means that you've been brainwashed into the "hate everything else, especially Microsoft" mantra.  I was the exact same way until 1991/92 when I sold my 3000 to fund my BBSand moved onto the PC (at that time an AT/286-10).  I don't ADVOCATE Windows, but I do openly admit that it is usable for 99% of the every day tasks an average person will likely ever do.  

Windows is also squarely positioned square in the middle level between the geeky user-hating Linux OS and the uber-made-for-idiots Macintosh.

Personally speaking, there are four types of computer literate people, and it seems to be divided by age.  

(10%) Youth wants Linux, Amigas, and stuff to tinker with as they learn and broaden their horizons.  

(10%) More comfortably aged and computer literates want Macintoshes because they "just work".

(10%) Are older folks who got old knowing one single platform and will never, ever have any desire to change.

(70%) of all computer users don't care any way and just want something with pretty icons that they can turn on and do whatever they want with, CHEAPLY.  

That 70% is where Windows hits the mark, and this is very much verified by the fact that Windows is the most widespread OS (some would say Virus) on the planet.

The Amiga (old or new) never, ever has any chance of becoming more than 10% of the market, because it's striving for the same market as the Macintosh, and Apple's already got an insurmountable head start.

Sorry to be so negative.  I'm not trying to be disparaging or slam the Amiga at all.  I just bore of the naivety behind the mantra that "AmigaOS is still an every day Operating system that can do everything" or that "AmigaOS will soon conquer the world".  It won't.  It's not, and hasn't been since circa 1996.  

In the computing world, both AmigaOS and MorphOS are pretty much irrelevant, despite anything Dvorak might have to say on TechTV.  

I'm just very happy to have sold my Amiga 3000 back then for enough to pay off the $2800 loan that I took out to pay for it.

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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2004, 09:00:54 PM »
Right, I need something like Winzip or one of the other tools mentioned.

I can't really contribute to any of the 'What's best' tangential stuff which simple queries inevitably create. Anyone actually interested in my particular system will have picked it up on my earlier threads. However, please go on arguing about Windows if you wish. I got what I needed, many thanks.

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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2004, 09:22:40 PM »
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Wayne wrote:
(10%) Youth wants Linux, Amigas, and stuff to tinker with as they learn and broaden their horizons.  


i guess that would be me  :-)
 

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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2004, 11:02:28 PM »
@Sir_Inferno

Not if that's really your ugly mug.
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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2004, 12:57:13 AM »
I like WinZip, up to version 8.1 ... it's now starting to get feature creep.

BTW Stuffit (a similar program that can handle Zips) is on the cover of this months Personal Computer World (in the UK).
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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2004, 03:42:11 PM »
hey that's an insult lol

nah i got it off some dating website advert saying "Everyone you meet a geek?"  :-D
 

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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2004, 05:08:47 PM »
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That's the thing, now isn't it? Being an AMIGA user by definition means that you've been brainwashed into the "hate everything else, especially Microsoft" mantra.


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Windows is also squarely positioned square in the middle level between the geeky user-hating Linux OS and the uber-made-for-idiots Macintosh.


With that second haven't you fallen into the same trap?
If Linux was user-hating it would have no GUI, if the Mac was made-for-idiots there'd be no Unix shell.  I'd say they're both trying to do the same thing but from different starting points and have different approaches.

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Personally speaking, there are four types of computer literate people, and it seems to be divided by age.


I don't think age has anything much to to do with it.  Some people are:

A) Interested in computers and any platform.
B) Interested in computers but limit themselves to Windows / Linux / Mac.
C) The vast majority are conservatives and just don't like change.

A)  Is a very small group and are more interested in the technology than the platform itself.  I don't think you could say they use any particular platform but even if they do there they are prepared to change it if something better comes along.  I guess these are the "early adopters".  Some of these used to use AmigaOS but since moved on to OS/2, Linux, *BSD, QNX, BeOS and now OS X.

B)  I'd these pople are interested in the technology and are prepared to change but need a damn good reason to do so.  I'd put a lot of Linux users in this category.

C)  This group get Windows because it's in the shop and it's cheap, some might have an interest in how it works but not so much that they'll consider a different platform.  These may be considered as "idiot users" but the reality is they could be brain surgeons, they may simply not be interested in the inner workings of a computer.  I'd put most Windows users in here.

Howevere, C also applies to people who just don't want to change and thus also makes up a chunk of alternative computer users - including many Amiga users.  If you're still using an Amiga you're probably very resistant to change, there are better platforms around these days but the old miggy just feels comfortable doesn't it?  

I said age doesn't have an effect but it does in that you may change from being in one group to another, I think everyone will gradually move towards C.  I'm in A and am glad that I can and do switch platforms with relative ease, there's a little bit of C creeping in though.

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The Amiga (old or new) never, ever has any chance of becoming more than 10% of the market, because it's striving for the same market as the Macintosh, and Apple's already got an insurmountable head start.


I don't really think Amiga and Mac are in the same market at all, they were years ago with the desktop video stuff but not these days.  At the moment I'd say the Amiga is really in the "hobbiest" market, people who just like to play around.  You may not be able to do everything you can with Windows but you can do most of it but it doesn't really matter as it's not "Work" and in that sense isn't competing with say, Windows at all.  The Amiga companies may like to go after the general consumer market (where Apple is competing) but I don't think there's anything compelling to offer as yet.


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Re: The Monster that is Windows
« Reply #29 from previous page: July 04, 2004, 07:43:08 PM »
IMHO, windows does have its place.  I like M$ only from the standpoint that I have continued to make money (a lot of it) on administering and now training on their products.

I too love MacOS X (any flavor) but before the pretty Aqua interface there was FreeBSD which I have long been a fan.  I think it is great the Apple has increased the userbase of Macintosh and thereby FreeBSD (their amped version is known as Darwin, but alas it is still the kernel of FreeBSD).

As I go forward, I don't personally like M$ and I am aware of options that will mean not having to use their products, but I find myself in catch 22... As a professional who does programming and web development, I find that Macromedia is fast doing what M$ has done and getting to be as influencial in the web arena.

Anyhow, the original question was about a .zip file utility for windows 9x, I would be on the WinRar bandwagon there, it has been very good to me.  I do believe in supporting shareware/freeware applications and believe Open Source is the future of computers, so I am wiening myself off of all MS products and deciding on what to do about my personal system.  First is the Macintosh route... I may do that, although I do not want to spend so much scratch on a single system.  Fortunately, my contracts normally provide a windows box that I can use for my professional side, so the risk of removing M$ from my personal system is becoming not a problem.

That is fully my opinion, and I think everyone has to decide for themselves.  What is pushing me to make this change now is the stuff M$ has done for the last 3 years starting with this activation thing.  Now with the impending doom of the SP2 fix, it is time to move on.

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