I need an NTSC Ruff N Tumble !!!

[leirbag28]

 Hi all. I have the original Ruff N Tumble game, but it is PAL.it works fine exept that I like to play games on big TV's and since I live in the USA I prefer the NTSC version, plus it usually has a slight increase in speed....................anyone here got it or know where I can get it?  does an NTSC version even exist?

 I love this game but unfortunately its PAL...its funny because even the PAL version seems to look like an NTSC version because of the screen size, but its definitely PAL.

also looking for NTSC versions of:

Turbo Trax
Alien Breed
Project X
Jaguar XJ220
ATR
StarDust
Super Stardust
Pinball Dreams
Pinball Fantasies ECS
Putty Squad
Mr Nutz
Brian The Lion
SuperFrog
Slam Tilt
Chaos Engine 2
Leander
Capital Punishment
First Samurai
Second Samurai
Elf Mania
Assasin
Fightin Spirit
Gods
Parasol Stars
Rainbow Islands
Bubble Bobble
Agony


 I already have all these games but they are PAL. I want NTSC versions.............so if you have them please send them to me or let me know where I can get them. PAL is useless to me.

And YES I do know WHDLoad enables you to play most PAL games in NTSC mode....but with the screen half way down and cut off (annoying!!!) I dont like having to move my screen or adjust it for every game.

Back2TheRoots should have both versions of all games...............actually all sites should do this.

Anyone planning on making games for Amiga should look at the Game OUTFALL before you make a game....they have the most brilliant PAL to NTSC switching ever!.you cant tell the difference!

[TjLaZer]

I know I have the same problem!  I like PAL - if the damn game makes use of the screen!  Nothing like a 2 inch gap at the bottom and slow game play! LOL  I feel like a European in 1987! (They had to endure the NTSC syndrome where ALL games had the gap at the bottom, poor lads...) Hehe

[leirbag28]

Haha, thats true.the europeans had to endure NTSC for a while I imagine since the Amiga was an American computer and most games must have been NTSC at first.

But still. I would like to be able to take my Amiga 600 to freinds houses and have some fun on a big screen TV or even record them, but cant because they are PAL. Psygnosis usually made 2 versions of all their games and i have all their NTSC versions except for Leander and Agony.

I just sold my bis Screen TV and will be buying a PHILIPS TV as their TV's usually support PAL and adjusts the screen on the fly!  they seem to care about Amiga users! or at least have in mind that this is of some great use.

I have a Big screen projector that says it supports PAL-M and PAL-N, but doesnt seem to work with my Amiga and if it does its in Black and white...........blah!!!!!!!!!!

[gizz72]

@leirbag28
Greetings,
 AFAIK, Ruff'n Tumble has no NTSC version. PAL games are meant to be PALs. You can play it in NTSC mode but the downside of it is you can't see the lower part cause NTSC tends to expand the display out of the screen as well.
 Speaking of TV, have you seen the latest Philips HDTV. It has a flat screen. I think it's a multi-system TV, meaning it supports PAL and NTSC displays. Aperfect space saver on your desk or living room. Maybe you could test your Amiga there. However, it's very expensive $1000 or more though... :-(

Regards,

Gizz

[leirbag28]

@gizz72


How can you play it in NTSC mode?   I tried booting it n NTSC mode and it does boot upto the menu, but once you start the game all you hear is the sound but no picture.

[Hooligan_DCS]

ATR.. mm...

All Terrain Racing was uwsum!  :-)

[gizz72]

@leirbag28

I assume your games are floppy based not WHDLoad okey.
On boot time press both mouse click. By selecting display option tab to NTSC. Some games work that way like CannonFodder 1. I can't see below the screen. In NTSC mode the intro music 'WAR never been..' plays a bit fast. There are some PAL games that are lock in PAL mode. It reverts back to PAL mode even though you select the NTSC tab on display options. That's what I experience a lot of times.


Oh BTW, ever tried a degrader?


Cheers,

Gizz

[leirbag28]

@gizz72

 I have both the Floppy version and also have it WHDLoad installed.........they both boot in NTSC mode until you select and start the actual game, which loads and you can even control the character and hear the music.but nothing shows on screen. The music is playing faster of course.

I wish every game manufacturer would implement the OUTFALL game feature. This will save them tons of work in having to make both a PAL version and NTSC version.

If anyone dos not have the Game OUTFALL, get it!!!! its one of the best Tetris/Jellybeans or globs or whatever type games for the amiga.........better than SuperFoulEggs.

[x56h34]

Why don't you simply play it in PAL mode? Amiga can switch to both PAL and NTSC, however if you try to run it on your NTSC TV, then I understand your pain as it cannot sync to the appropriate refresh rate amd understand the colour sygnal. :-)

If you have ab Amiga monitor (e.g. 1084), simply run it in PAL mode through WHDLoad (make sure the PAL tooltype is present in the game icon), and you're all set. Amiga monitors are 100% PAL and NTSC friendly, in any territory, as they use RGB which is more colour/sygnal tolerant than composite or s-vhs.

[leirbag28]

@x56h34

Because I as I mentioned above in the beginning, I want to play it anywhere at anytime.especially in a car ( I have LCD screens) and on big screen American TV's. sure, I can definitley play it in PAL mode on my RGB monitor, but you gotta stay home and leave your computer stationary for that. I want to be able to lug my Amiga around (one if the reasons I bought an A600 and CD32) Since Amiga has Video out as standard, it makes no sence not to support both NTSC and PAL ( in Body Blows, just press F6 during game at anytime and it switches into PAL or NTSC.great idea)

But the OUTFALL game method is the best ever invented.

[x56h34]

Well, then do as I did, if you wanna play games on your TV. Get a multi-system one. :-) Except you'd have to get more than one, for every playing location necessary. :-(

[Hyperspeed]

Hello!

Hooligan_DCS is right! All Terrain Racer (ATR) is a superb game! I had
the CD32 version but it didn't load on Amiga for some reason. I then
acquired the Christmas Demo on some floppy and you raced around this
snowy track with your little cars. It was like Skidmarks but with
futuristic SUVs and with smoother graphics.

Leirbag28 is right, NTSC is the way to go for the avid gamer...

I remember back in 1998 when the Sega Saturn was ready to go belly up
the Offical Saturn Magazine started a campaign to get everyone
converting their machine to 60Hz so it could run import games.

After that 99% of Sega Dreamcast games had the option built into their
startups to allow 50Hz/60Hz PAL.

Nowadays ALL my games no matter what machine are in 60Hz modes which
gives full speed and full refresh. It's not necessary to have NTSC for
Europeans, the PAL format allows 60Hz modes too.

The nutty thing is, when NTSC games are converted to PAL they are
given a speed boost in their code (because PAL is slower due to the
higher resolution). So when you switch a PAL optimised game back down
to NTSC or 60Hz PAL you go at warp speed.

UK PAL Wipout on Saturn is a good example. Man that was cool in 60Hz
with the NiGHTS 3D Pad.

As for PAL games on NTSC systems that might be trikier, but WHDLoad
might be your saviour, that or the early startup (in combination with
a change of monitor settings).

I suppose that was going to be a downer of the Amiga's video
capability. PC screenmodes (although very unversatile with regards to
your video display) are like a universal language since they MUST be
run on a VGA display. I wouldn't like to know how complex a PC's
video-out option is...

:-D

[leirbag28]

x56h34 wrote:

Well, then do as I did, if you wanna play games on your TV. Get a multi-system one.  Except you'd have to get more than one, for every playing location necessary.
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Get a Multisystem one?  what is a multisystem one?  a multi system Amiga?  is there such a thing?

Anyway i just got a great idea of how it might work............is it possible to get NTSC to run at 50hz?  if so how?

@Hyperspeed

You think ATR is good eh?  try Turbo Trax, its much much better. try it mutiple times on different tracks and different cars and you will see..it drives better. ATR is too difficult to figure out where the road is heading.

Also try RoadKill.

Anyway i just got a great idea of how Ruff N Tumble might work............is it possible to get NTSC to run at 50hz?  if so how? you mentioned something about this in your comment
 

[TjLaZer]

I wish I could get those pesty PAL games that actually do not use the whole PAL screen to run in NTSC.  Like Ruff N Tumble, it does not use the whole PAL screen, but insists on running in PAL only.  Another one is Chaos Engine AGA, does not run in NTSC, when it actually uses a NTSC screen size in PAL!  Annoying!

[leirbag28]

@TjLaZer

What Chaos Engine do you have?.............I have Chaos Engine CD32 which I assume is AGA and it runs fine in NTSC...I also have the ECS version which is also NTSC