Why have I been surrounded by so many f'ing *BLEEPS* in the last few months??? :-x

[bloodline]

IIRC, boys often are closer to their mother, whilst girls are often closer to their fathers, the parent of the opposite sex.

Oh god!!! I'm far closer to my Father... I kinda have a Hate relationship with my mother...

What does that say about me!!!  :nervous:

[that_punk_guy]

Cyberus wrote:
Admittedly though, a handshake means more to some people than others. I always shake hands with someone the first time I meet them, and particularly when I haven't seen someone for a long time. To me its a real sign of affection, and almost of mutual respect. Others seem indifferent to shaking hands.

Handshakes are so witualised to me that I can't tell if there's any affection there or not.

Last time I met an old friend after a long time, we did this odd kind of handshake with our hands at 90 degree angles almost like an arm wrestle in the air. It was informal but meaningful too.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

bloodline wrote:
What does that say about me!!!  :nervous:

nothing, I got a closer relation to my mother. (also, I was always the benjamin of the family, and kinda weird and naive boy, so my mother's very protective)

[Cyberus]

Benjamin?

Is that like the 'black sheep of the family'?
i.e. The odd one out


Hmm, Benjamin the Black Sheep...

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Cyberus wrote:
Benjamin?

Is that like the 'black sheep of the family'?
i.e. The odd one out


Hmm, Benjamin the Black Sheep...

Ben = kid
benjamin is the youngest kid
(in Jewish language)

[Cyberus]

bloodline wrote:

IIRC, boys often are closer to their mother, whilst girls are often closer to their fathers, the parent of the opposite sex.

Oh god!!! I'm far closer to my Father... I kinda have a Hate relationship with my mother...

What does that say about me!!!  :nervous:

Well I did say correct me if I'm wrong! :-)
Its just what *my* experience of other people has been. Like I said before, its just conjecture, aka, talking out of my arse :lol:
Would like to see what other people think about some of these points is all. :-)

[bloodline]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

bloodline wrote:
What does that say about me!!!  :nervous:

nothing, I got a closer relation to my mother. (also, I was always the benjamin of the family, and kinda weird and naive boy, so my mother's very protective)

Yeah, but my Father is a boring, uncomunicative, alcoholic...

[Speelgoedmannetje]

:-? Eh? I don't get you Bloodline.
I thought it was about the 'Fruedian relationship of child and parent'

[bloodline]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
:-? Eh? I don't get you Bloodline.
I thought it was about the 'Fruedian relationship of child and parent'

Sorry I'm one bottle of Shraz down... I'm probably not making sense...

[Cyberus]

bloodline wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
:-? Eh? I don't get you Bloodline.
I thought it was about the 'Fruedian relationship of child and parent'

Sorry I'm one bottle of Shraz down... I'm probably not making sense...

Heh, I was pretty {bleep}ed when I originally brought all this up - hence all the babbling in my post...
Long, dusty day at work, and nearly the.........

[Wain]

T_Bone wrote:

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

iamaboringperson wrote:
I forgot to mention that they're at this college also. :-(

They also exist in small towns but they pretend to be straight so they wont get beat up. Then they marry women (that would otherwise be available to marry a straight guy) so that they "fit in" and don't seem gay.

Tragic really, but also somewhat amusing.

 :lol:

Actually I don't understand why they do that.

Peer pressure? to FIT IN? please.

Would you pretend to be gay and renounce women if it meant you'd fit in, in a gay world? I wouldn't, I'd continue to indulge, conformity be damned! I'd rather be a black sheep that get's laid [by the attracted-to sex] than the white sheep. Who'd fake it? Would you sleep with another guy to be more popular in school/work/society? I wouldn't, and couldn't for that matter, short of holding a gun to my head, and even then I don't know!  :-P

I don't understand it.

A lot of people hide and try to pose their way into the straight world out of fear.  Fear of going to hell (<--this is a HUGE one for many), fear of being disowned(often by ENTIRE family), fear of being assaulted, abused or killed, fear of being rejected by society and evicted from the opportunity of leading a successful and happy life, fear of living a life that is "immoral" or "wrong", fear of being a bad person, the list goes on and on.

You have to remember that in MOST of the US, people are raised being told that to be gay is wrong, God hates you, you're going to hell, you're single-handedly going to destroy society, you're a threat to everyone's children, you're family will hate you, you don't deserve to be loved, and you should be beaten to death...all because you're a guy who happens to be attracted to other guys...it's really stupid, but when people grow up in places like this, if they are gay, they will traditionally do everything in their power to hide it.  Then you get the power-conservative psycho's who are gay too, people like Roy Cohn for example...admitting his homosexulaity would have ruined everything he had built for himself out of his own hate-mongering.

Many people in this world, especially if they come from small religious towns, aren't raised with the strength to be defiant...and for every person that came out due to he Matthew Shepard incident, there are two more who went much deeper into the closet instead.

[mdwh2]

KennyR wrote:
Polygyny is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...

Monogamy is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...

And as for your comment about being competitive, surely that's at least as much an argument against monogamy (where you risk losing your partner altogether to the competition).

[mdwh2]

T_Bone wrote:
Actually I don't understand why they do that.

Peer pressure? to FIT IN? please.

Would you pretend to be gay and renounce women if it meant you'd fit in, in a gay world? I wouldn't, I'd continue to indulge, conformity be damned! I'd rather be a black sheep that get's laid [by the attracted-to sex] than the white sheep. Who'd fake it? Would you sleep with another guy to be more popular in school/work/society? I wouldn't, and couldn't for that matter, short of holding a gun to my head, and even then I don't know!  :-P

I don't understand it.

I imagine it happens when the only thing you know and have been told about is hetereosexual relationships, despite the feelings you might have towards other men.

If you're going to consider a "gay world", you also have to forget all that you've learnt and seen in this straight world. You won't be able to "renounce women"  because to begin with, you won't have even taken the step to having relationships with them. You won't be "continuing to induldge" because you won't have started. You'll have been brought up to believe that everyone has same sex relationships, and if opposite sex relationships are mentioned at all, it's only in the sense that they are unnatural and evil.

Any thoughts you have towards women would be supressed and discounted as passing emotions that don't really mean anything. You'll never get to try out an actual relationship (or anything) with a woman. When you go out with a man, it might not seem right at all, but you'll guess that that's just the way it is - you've got nothing to compare it to.

Of course, in this day in age, I would hope that gay people pretending to be straight would be far less common.

Another thing to remember is that many people might well be bisexual, but they don't pursue same sex relationships out of fear of homophobic reactions or just decide it's easier being straight in this world. It's sad that they feel they have to do that, but it's not strange that they are able to go with a woman if they are bi.

[bloodline]

mdwh2 wrote:

KennyR wrote:
Polygyny is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...

Monogamy is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...

As much as I would love to sleep around and play the field... I'm just not able to... :-(

I can't do it, when I'm in a relationship, thats it... a form of social/psycological castration I guess...

[mdwh2]

Well, just to be exact, non-monogamy doesn't imply sleeping around (which to me suggests sleeping casually with lots of people, possibly including random strangers), although of course it allows the possibility of sleeping around when you have a relationship.

Not that that affects your point about not being able to - the important thing to remember is that not everyone is the same. What doesn't work for some might work for others.

[iamaboringperson]

I disagree.... I've known gay guys who say they knew they were "different" from a very early age. To attribute homosexuality to mental illness is naive. What studies are you referring to?

You can disagree all you like.

I'm only refering to two particular studies that I've read about before - I can't remember the names of the researchers, or what their papers were called, however when I find the info in a book that I have, I'll be only too glad to post the details (I might even copy & paste an abstract or two).

The fact is that what I just wrote is proven.
 Identical twins are not always attracted to the same things (also, they usually have vastly different personalities, too). Infact they are only rarely attracted to the same attributes.

Hormones are the same between homo & normal men.
Hormones are the same between homo & normal women.

There is basically the same range of brain sizes and masses for all men, and the same range of brain sizes and masses for all women, too.

There is no proven difference between a homo and normal brain.

All the evidence suggests that the cause is psychological, and not biological.

Anyway, just because someone's gay doesn't mean that they're in any way a threat to you. Gay people have been known to have happy and monogamous relationships too...

But I just have to watch them around my property - they might steal it!


If I knew that fags in public think things about me that are anything like what I think about fine chicks that I see on the train etc. I'd punch them. Because it is sick, unnatural, destructive, and perverted.



KennyR said:

...and you're a homophobe (another strong sign)....

WHY IS IT?


Okay ... um ... let me think now .... umm...

I say that unionists, on average, have a lower birth-weight and IQ, than non unionists!

There!

IIRC, boys often are closer to their mother, whilst girls are often closer to their fathers, the parent of the opposite sex.

I don't know where you get that.

BTW Iama, who is that picture of in your avatar? Poor girl has made herself look hideous.

:-D She's my new girlfriend - her name is Michaela, she's half Thai. And she's f'ing gorgeous!

Find out more about her, here!