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Why should one have a monogamous relationship? As long as ppl are honest to each other, I do not see ANY problem in polygamous relationships.
Or is this again an aspect of the victorian romantic view of the realizable world?


I guess I was trying to prove a point that people are people no matter what.  Call it dumb an attempt at political correctness on my part...

I guess some people are happy in monogamous relationships, whilst others are just as happy with other arrangements.  

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Anyway, just because someone's gay doesn't mean that they're in any way a threat to you.  Gay people have been known to have happy and monogamous relationships too...  
Why should one have a monogamous relationship? As long as ppl are honest to each other, I do not see ANY problem in polygamous relationships.
Or is this again an aspect of the victorian romantic view of the realizable world?
I think you are having trouble with translating the verb.

"have been known to have" means that Some gay people - like everyone else - are capable of "happy and monogamous relationships". It doesn't mean they HAVE to be this way.

when San Francisco had that run on marriages a few months ago, I heard the 1st couple to get married had been together 50 years. and they were not alone. So, it's not uncommon.

that sentence doesn't insist monogamy is "normal", better or the only way to go. it's just not unusual.
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Why should one have a monogamous relationship? As long as ppl are honest to each other, I do not see ANY problem in polygamous relationships.


Polygyny is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...
 

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Speel wrote:
Why should one have a monogamous relationship? As long as ppl are honest to each other, I do not see ANY problem in polygamous relationships.


Polygyny is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...
...in practice ppl should think and decide for themselves about that. Every situation and person is different, y'know. To condemn such is petty meddlesomeness I think.

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sorry about that I misinterpreted your intentions
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...in practice ppl should think and decide for themselves about that.


Sure they should, but they should use past examples as a gauge, as well as common sense and conventional wisdom. Polygyny is not something that is recommended highly by any of these. Human beings are just too competitive.
 

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Well, the fact that the majority of ppl are competitive really doesn't mean EVERY SINGLE person on this planet is competitive.
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Well, the fact that the majority of ppl are competitive really doesn't mean EVERY SINGLE person on this planet is competitive.


Evolution is unkind on the uncompetitive.
 

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oh no! not again about that evolution thing
We do not have yet a clue about the incredible complex phenomenon/hypothesis of evolution, so plz do not use that word as an argument.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Well, the fact that the majority of ppl are competitive really doesn't mean EVERY SINGLE person on this planet is competitive.


The whole act of marriage in the first place is competition. You make the decision to get married for several reasons all boiling down to competition. Even competition itself can be boiled down to "goals." To have any goal is to compete. Life itself is competition.
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Competition is bad for a social system, wich is, as far as I know, the main aspect of humans.

look at third world countries, and you'll see I'm right. It's there where much competition is and with competition comes distrust and with distrust, there's no functioning of a group.
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Competition is bad for a social system


Of course it's not! Competition is what keeps interactions in a social system going, and decides leaders or representatives. Without going to the extreme and leaving sick people out in the snow, where would we be without competition? Nothing, that's what we'd be. Like a company that has no competition, we'd just swell fat and lose all direction, and be easy pickings for someone or something that is competitive.
 

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okay, we should rather talk about "group competition" and "individual competition" and the latter is bad for the functioning as a group.
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Okay, first the fairies are on the train, then they're at a place at which I've been working for a while.

Not only that, but I think one has moved into the group of flats I'm in. (Along with some real derro's)

These pricks really sicken me.

:-X


Seriously dude!!! Why are you so frightened of someone's sexuality?

Scared of a gay guy! Isn't that like being frightened of a teddy bear?


It's not the sexuality that freaks me out, it's that HANDSHAKE!  :-o (Although I've come to realise straight people with limp handshakes freak me out as well)  :lol:

Maybe I'm an old fart, but when someone gives me a limp handshake, it feels like I've been goosed. Gays with firm handshakes don't bother me at all.

/old fart

Ok, so I'm not really a homophobe, I'm a limphandshakeophobe.


I think I'm with you on this one, but I don't think it really depends on sexuality. A handshake actually expresses a lot, and is an important part of body language in western society. I think that a limp handshake shows reluctance, perhaps in some cases superiority, and I don't want to shake hands with someone who doesn't want to get a relationship to start off on an even keel, so to speak.
 
Admittedly though, a handshake means more to some people than others. I always shake hands with someone the first time I meet them, and particularly when I haven't seen someone for a long time. To me its a real sign of affection, and almost of mutual respect. Others seem indifferent to shaking hands.

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In the same vein, people who try and crush my fingers in a handshake viz getting relationship started on a level playing field. Someone really trying ot crush my hand is trying to assert dominance maybe, to be rude, whatever. But to me a handshake is almost like a sign of respect, not a chance to try and assert as humans, partiularly males, are apt to do.


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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
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sorry about that I misinterpreted your intentions


That's cool Speel, maybe I didn't make it clear enough.

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Actually I don't understand why they do that.

Peer pressure? to FIT IN? please.

Would you pretend to be gay and renounce women if it meant you'd fit in, in a gay world? I wouldn't, I'd continue to indulge, conformity be damned! I'd rather be a black sheep that get's laid [by the attracted-to sex] than the white sheep. Who'd fake it? Would you sleep with another guy to be more popular in school/work/society? I wouldn't, and couldn't for that matter, short of holding a gun to my head, and even then I don't know!  

I don't understand it.
You're right.

I fail to understand that also.   However, it really makes me wonder as to whether there really is 'homosexuallity' or whether it is as we may assume it is.

Which is why I sort of see them as 'straigt people gone mad'


After all, there is no proven hormonal abnormality. And studies on twins suggest that it IS nurture rather than nature.

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Right, I'm gonna kind of go out on a limb here. This raises eyebrows whenever I bring this up, my little theory....Here goes...

Sex is everywhere. No, I don't mean sex used blatantly to sell things or whatever. I mean it plays a part in every part of our social life, aside from the search for a mate.

IIRC, boys often are closer to their mother, whilst girls are often closer to their fathers, the parent of the opposite sex.
[Note I said often, not all :)]. Please correct me if I'm wrong, as this is pretty much a conjecture.

From working in different environments, you see what effect sex has. For example, working in an almost exclusively female environment was, well, quite good. At times the situation caused nigh-on sexual harassment.
[I suppose blokes generally don't mind having their backsides pinched by random women, or constant sexual innuendo...]. Whilst the relationship the women have with each other is something to observe. You soon see that you have the better end of the deal.
I also find older ladies are drawn to me. The last place I worked [before I started in the building trade a few weeks ago], for example: The lady I was working for asked how old I was, then said, "You're about the same age as my son", and started asking me what I'd done before and what school I'd been to, and then she told me about her son - needless to say, we got off to a great start! :lol:

Anyway, I'm digressing, this is where I stick my neck out:
Now I'm not trying to get completely Freudian on you here...

Sex kinda governs your relationship with people of the same sex I reckon. No, I don't mean behaving differently when those people of the same sex are in competition to get the attention of the opposite sex. I mean in normal day-to-day dealings. You probably don't even notice it. But you will find yourself liking someone more than another, for no reason you can perceive. Have you ever taken a dislike to someone because of the way they look physically? If so, why? Because of something genetic, I believe. And being keener on one person over another on the basis of their appearance, IMHO, is closely linked to 'sex'. That doesn't mean you want to sleep with them, necessarily though.

So after much babbling, what I'm trying to say is, that we've all got a bit of homosexuality in us. Put that in your pipe and smoke it iama! :lol:



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Another interesting point, again conjecture though! Brazil has a lot of gay and bisexual people - which begs the question: If we had more lax social views of sexuality, and it wasn't though of as "wrong" - would more of us be gay or bisexual?

BTW Iama, who is that picture of in your avatar? Poor girl has made herself look hideous.
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Re: Why have I been surrounded by so many f'ing *BLEEPS* in the last few months??? :-x
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IIRC, boys often are closer to their mother, whilst girls are often closer to their fathers, the parent of the opposite sex.


Oh god!!! I'm far closer to my Father... I kinda have a Hate relationship with my mother...

What does that say about me!!!  :nervous: